The Exciting FUTURE of AI-Based Medicine: How Patients Save Money & Doctors Save Time! with KJ Dhaliwal

**Ben Greenfield** (0:00)
My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life Podcast, the amount of medical knowledge that exists doubles every seven months in the world.

**KJ Dhaliwal** (0:08)
So there's no way a human is able to keep up. A hundred million Americans don't have a primary care doctor still. And we spend a trillion dollars on.
If you can do a couple of things, which we're doing all of these, by the way, which are make the doctor ten times more productive, collapse the cost of care. So it was sort of the convergence of all these things for me that was like, hey, now is the right time to build this company, even though I've been thinking about it for a long time.

**Ben Greenfield** (0:38)
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Shark Tank, Shark, Damon, John recently introduced me to the company Lotus AI, and my guest on today's show, KJ Dhaliwal, is the founder and CEO of Lotus. They're up to a pretty cool project to give 100 million Americans world-class primary care for free by using AI to basically collapse the cost of care and make it personalized and available 24-7 via an app and also make physicians' lives a lot easier too. So the show notes are at bengreenfieldlife.com/lotus.
I'll also link to Lotus' website and app right there at bengreenfieldlife.com/lotus.
Let's go talk to KJ. All right, KJ, you and I actually have not talked to each other before, but multiple people have sent me a heads up on what you've been up to in the whole AI meets health realm. So I would love to start here. I actually kind of stalked you for a while. I went to the Lotus website. I saw there that you said that you saw firsthand how broken healthcare is. So that kind of made me curious. Do you have some kind of experience in the medical system that soured you?

**KJ Dhaliwal** (4:48)
Yeah, definitely. You know, it's one of those things that I've been sort of thinking about for a really long time because as a child, I was an immigrant translating doctors visits for my parents.
And sort of you realize all the inefficiencies and all the things that are wrong about American health care. And when I was 18, I had two disc herniations from a sports injury. So that sort of like threw me down a rabbit hole of sort of years of specialty visits. I would literally carry around a binder of my physical sort of health records. And you know, they would give it to you on like CD-ROMs in terms of your image.