Our Take: Spilling Logies tea, the Lindsay Clancy trial & Sach’s big news

**Chris Spyrou** (0:02)
A LISTENER PRODUCTION Hello everyone and welcome to Our Take, our brand new Saturday episode where we take our ties off, our shoes off, and we look back at the week that was and what you and me, wait, what we and you listening made of it. It is looser, it is chattier, it is a lot less serious, but still fact checked.
We start by debriefing a story that we couldn't stop talking about or arguing about. We also open up our inbox and go through some of your DMs, comments and reactions from the week that was. This weekend, there is one DM in particular on that whole. It's awful. My word.
And then it is our brand new Weekend Quiz where we find out if someone from around the business or you listening, eventually you listening, we want you in this studio taking part in this quiz, seeing if you've been paying attention to the headlines. And then we of course cap it off with the Weekend List where we recommend what to watch, see, do, eat and listen to. And we probably should introduce ourselves. Hi, I'm Chris Spyrou.

**Sacha Barbour Gatt** (1:06)
I'm Sacha Barbour Gatt. We are the hosts of The Briefing.
I'm guessing you listened to us during the week, in which case, welcome to Saturday, which is much, much more relaxed. But yeah, we are going to actually start with a pretty heavy story. And it was suggested by a listener before we get into it all, so trigger warning, we will be discussing crimes against children as well as serious mental health conditions, including suicide. If that is not for you, no worries. You can skip ahead a few minutes to the inbox.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:34)
There was more difficult testimony today in the murder trial of Lindsay Clancy, the Massachusetts mom who killed her three children. The court heard from the medical examiner who examined the bodies of her kids after they were killed. Clancy cried loudly as the doctor testified about her performing an autopsy on her infant son.

**Sacha Barbour Gatt** (1:53)
So what you just heard there was a news report around the Lindsay Clancy case. And we did put a prompt in our broadcast channel this week saying, hey, what do you think we should debrief? What's the story that's gotten your interest this week? Maybe we haven't covered it in headlines or in a deep dive. And Laura put a comment up saying that she thought we should talk about the Lindsay Clancy case. Now we did actually deep dive this yesterday morning. We spoke about postpartum psychosis, which is the whole conversation with the Lindsay Clancy case. So a quick recap, if you're not aware of it.
On January 24th, 2023, Lindsay Clancy, a former labor and delivery nurse, strangled her three children to death. Cora, who was five, Dawson, who was three, and Callan, who was eight months old. Her husband was out picking up food at the time. She then jumped out of her second story window in an apparent suicide attempt. Her husband came home, he found her, and then he went on to find their children. Awful, horrible case. She has confessed to the murders in a sense. She did so from her hospital bed in the days after the tragic murder of those three children. Now the case isn't focused on whether she did it or not. The case is around whether she's criminally responsible for the killing of Cora, Dawson and Callan because her lawyers are claiming at the time she was deep in postpartum psychosis, which is a mental health condition that affects new parents, new mums specifically, where they have a psychotic break with reality. It presents differently for every woman who experiences it. It is not rare. They reckon between one to two cases out of every thousand births will see postpartum psychosis, but it is not well known and it is not well understood by the general public. So that is the discussion that is happening online at the moment around Lindsay Clancy. This is how I came to it. I was scrolling TikTok and seeing these stories.
The really interesting back and forth is people saying it is a tragedy that this woman was experiencing this and then went on to kill her children versus people saying how on earth could you have sympathy for a woman who killed her children? I found it fascinating, the conversation, and personally really sad because I know that mispartum psychosis is a legitimate condition and it can lead to infanticide and suicide attempts. That's exactly what we saw in the Lindsay Clancy trial.
It's been really interesting to see it play out. Chris, what do you make of it?