Interview Karmelo Supporters Don’t Want You to See

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**The Hodgetwins** (1:00)
This is an interview Karmelo Anthony supporters do not want you to see.

**Will** (1:04)
Austin Metcalf's dad, Jeff Metcalf joins me now here in Dallas. Jeff, thanks for being with us here today.

**Jeff Metcalf** (1:09)
Thank you, Will. Thanks for having me.

**Will** (1:11)
What with this video's release, Jeff, do you hope the public can see about this moment?

**Jeff Metcalf** (1:17)
Well, I mean, obviously, the trial not being publicly viewed live, due to so many minors involved.
And that's a different subject I could talk about on its own, because look at the damage at these young students who had to witness this murder, who have to live with this for the rest of their life. Some, I mean, every one of them, I believe, are in counseling. PTSD could be a thing. I mean, this is a trauma that could, you carry the rest of your life, possibly.

**The Hodgetwins** (1:47)
But according to the black community, they had some.

**Jeff Metcalf** (1:50)
Hopefully, they can get the help they need and move forward and not be scarred from it.
Me personally, I'm the same way. I need the help to make sure that I can move forward. And that's what I really want to concentrate on, is moving forward. I hope this video can clear up a lot of the misinformation that was provided throughout the entire year before the trial came to light. There were multiple, multiple lies and mistruths that were put on social media, that were spoken by even individuals that have some fame. People had their own opinions without even seeing the facts.

**The Hodgetwins** (2:26)
The black community.

**Jeff Metcalf** (2:27)
That's the part I have trouble with.

**Will** (2:29)
What do you make of that? Candidly with the audience, you and I spoke a little bit earlier today, and it's one of the great mysteries for me, and how something that is so clear, the fact so obvious, was turned into something that was this great national discussion of race. I think you called it earlier. How did this become George Floyd 2.0?

**The Hodgetwins** (2:48)
Because black people are stupid.

**Jeff Metcalf** (2:49)
Unfortunately, in today's moral decay of society, as we witnessed, people believe that if they have their own voice, they scream loud enough, they're right. And they believe perception is their own reality. It may not be truth, but in their mind, it is their own reality.
For a person to not able to objectively look at something, use common logic, common sense, to come to a determination just based on merely the facts, not the color of one's skin, that tells me a whole lot about your character, if you choose that direction.

**The Hodgetwins** (3:25)
And you... Yeah, because black people are racist. Yeah.

**Will** (3:28)
Tell me, you feel like you know the moment, the moment this became more than simply a horrible tragedy in a crime story in North Texas, where it became this larger thing, and it was that press conference.

**Jeff Metcalf** (3:40)
Yes, sir. I do believe that was probably one of the turning points.
I was there to show up to pray. I was hoping we could show the world this wasn't a racial divide thing, that we could kind of close the gap instead of widening it. But at that point, they'd obviously retain the services of Dominic Alexander, a convicted baby shaking felon advocate who decided to throw me out of the press conference, had me removed by police, and then proceeded to gaslight me and tell me how I was such, you know, I can't even remember the word he used, but that I shouldn't have been there, and it was not dignified to my son or myself, which I really couldn't quite understand as they proceeded to gaslight me. And also took it, there was a young lady who has followed the case also from the entire time, her name is Sarah Fields, also showed information about her. That's when they took it from any top of remorse, which they did not show, to the fact of now we're going to play the race card, and now we're going to politicize this, now we're getting a political activist involved. The two things I said in one of the first interviews I ever did was, please don't make this about race, and please don't politicize it, but they chose to do both.