Biohacking Gadgets You’ve Never Heard Of (& A Preview of The World’s TOP Health Optimization Event) With Tim Gray

**Ben Greenfield** (0:00)
My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life Podcast.

**Tim Gray** (0:04)
People have as much plastic in their brain as two or three credit cards in terms of the amount of plastic. When there's that level of exposure or in your body, it's probably best to get something done like...

**Ben Greenfield** (0:18)
In today's podcast, I'm interviewing the founder and CEO of one of the world's largest health optimization and longevity summits in London, the Health Optimization Summit. My guest is Tim Gray, also known as Tim Biohacker. The summit is incredible, but Tim always has new toys, new gadgets, new technologies, new approaches and a really great view on the health world in general.

**Tim Gray** (0:41)
My heart rate variability is always better whenever I use the... Because I'm breathing better, meaning that I'm more rested, more vasodilation and then sleep better as well as a result.

**Ben Greenfield** (0:53)
We have this annual catch up where we also release a big old discount code to the end of the summit, so if you want to come party, hang, pack and be on, check out the show notes at bengreenfieldlife.com/tim2026. And let's go talk to Tim. Welcome to The Boundless Life with me, your host, Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist and nutritionist. And I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity and beyond.
Hello, everybody, this is the annual meetup between Tim Gray and I. Do you still call yourself UK's leading biohacker, or are you doing the Healthy Community Guy now, or what's your title?

**Tim Gray** (1:46)
You had to go there, didn't you? Thanks, mate.

**Ben Greenfield** (1:48)
Yeah.

**Tim Gray** (1:51)
I would say I'm not even a biohacker these days, but unfortunately the biohacker branding remains.

**Ben Greenfield** (1:57)
Yeah.

**Tim Gray** (1:58)
I would say like most of us, we're getting back around to nature as much as possible, but using tech in the meantime.

**Ben Greenfield** (2:05)
Yeah. Actually, talk to me about that, because you're in Tuscany, you're obviously doing the natural living hippie-dippy thing there. You've still got, of course, the conference in September, the Health Optimisation Summit where it's just like Gadget Central, like the consumer electronic show of biohacking. So where do you fall on the spectrum of, I guess, the fundamentals versus the gadgets right now?

**Tim Gray** (2:29)
To be honest, the funny thing is, there's quite a big reflection moment for me being in Italy last week because, yeah, I realized how little biohacking I actually did.
It was ridiculous. As I said before we started recording, I was sitting on the beach having Mediterranean food, walking, grounding, and I realized how much tech I relied on.
So I would say when I'm in the city, I rely on so many biohacks and so much tech and so many supplements. But when I'm actually in nature, I hardly need anything. And I think that's just the typical balance of juggling life, of using technology to reverse the damage of technology. Yeah.

**Ben Greenfield** (3:11)
Well, I was hoping you would go there. It's like when you're living in that post-industrial electrical suit with air pollution, light pollution, water pollution, and electrical pollution, you almost need to pull out the big guns. Comma, when you're in that environment, it's just harder to get out in pristine, clean nature anyways.

**Tim Gray** (3:31)
Yeah, for sure. But the thing is, is that I do really appreciate all of the devices that I use when I'm in London, and I can't imagine how I actually be able to operate at this level without them.
But at the same time, you know, I can't imagine sitting on the beach with a red light device.

**Ben Greenfield** (3:49)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just drag this out here and set this little red light square in my lap while the big sun shines overhead.
So when it comes to this idea of optimization, do you think it's equally important to remove barriers, like microplastics or mold or heavy metals, or even just like environmental stressors versus, I guess, like the additives, supplements, whatever, stem cells, peptides, red light, PMF, hyperbaric? I mean, how much do you focus on one versus the other?

**Tim Gray** (4:27)
Well, that's a really good point. I mean, one, we don't need one without the other particularly. I mean, if you think back, again, we're going back evolutionary, we wouldn't need to remove anything because we wouldn't have any of the pollutants or any of the toxicities. And nowadays, having to remove stuff is so important. I mean, if we think about, I want to quote Gary Breckie here, but if we look at what's in the cell that shouldn't be and what isn't, basically what's in the cell that shouldn't be and what isn't in the cell that should be, I mean, the cell operates correctly, right? And then it's like we can keep on adding on hyperbaric oxygen therapy, but in the first place, why would we need that? And I think adding nature or should I say fresh air in the forest and breathwork, that's what you would add there. Whereas in the city, you're just adding something different. So it's selective depending on where I am or my zip code at the time as to what approach I have. And I would imagine you probably do the same, right? I mean, if you weren't recording a podcast, you'd probably be on a call on your phone, walking out in the woods or something or other. But when you're recording a podcast and you're stuck, you're getting your steps in and in the office like you are right now. So I think it's just very, very contextual. And I add whatever I need whenever I need it. And it sounds like everything and nothing of what I just said, they're very high level. But really, for instance, the person that goes in the gym seven days a week, why is he doing that? Is it actually helping him move forward?