Barack Obama Says Donald Trump Has an Obsession With Him artwork

Barack Obama Says Donald Trump Has an Obsession With Him

The TMZ Podcast

June 25, 2026

Barack Obama said Donald Trump is overly focused on him, arguing the president spends too much time thinking about predecessors instead of governing and saying Trump acts differently in private than he does in public.
Speakers: Antonio Smith, Deven Rall, Ray Watson
**Antonio Smith** (0:00)
I see you.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:02)
Avatar Fire and Ash is now streaming on Disney Plus.
It's the film critics are calling the best Avatar yet. Go, go, go, go! A true epic and completely jaw-dropping.

**Antonio Smith** (0:12)
This is the only pure thing in this world.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:15)
Return to Pandora on Disney Plus.

**Antonio Smith** (0:17)
It will be an adventure for the whole family.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:19)
And watch the Oscar-winning phenomenon at home.

**Antonio Smith** (0:22)
This is sick!

**SPEAKER_2** (0:26)
Avatar Fire and Ash, now streaming on Disney Plus.

**Antonio Smith** (0:28)
Rated PG-13.

**Deven Rall** (0:38)
Welcome to The TMZ Podcast. Deven here with Tony. How are you this morning? What's going on, bro?

**Antonio Smith** (0:42)
Doing well, we're getting through it. It's Friday Eve.

**Deven Rall** (0:45)
Friday Eve, I love that. So that's what we're calling Thursday now is Friday Eve. That's a very positive spin on it. I actually never heard that, but I kind of like it.

**Antonio Smith** (0:53)
I had to come off the top of my head.

**Deven Rall** (0:56)
So Obama went on a podcast and talked about how Trump's obsessed with him.

**Antonio Smith** (1:03)
I wonder if he had that Mariah Carey song stuck in his head. Why are you so obsessed?

**Deven Rall** (1:07)
What's going on with that? Whoever's my cohost just has to sing during the podcast. They have to break out in song at some point.

**Antonio Smith** (1:15)
I don't know.

**Deven Rall** (1:15)
Maybe Branson's antics are rubbing off. For some reason, when you do it, it doesn't really bother me nearly as much as Branson.

**Antonio Smith** (1:22)
Guys, I won't torture you going forward.

**Deven Rall** (1:23)
That's it. We've hit our quota.
So he did a podcast, usually, in Obama fashion, he did take the high road. But he actually did say he talked about trash, which was interesting. Then we'll talk about, this week, it was a big story. Oprah Winfrey was on stage in Cannes, talked about how a bunch of years ago, Whitney Houston was high and fell off her stage at the Oprah Winfrey show. And basically, she was saying it, the reason she was telling the story was to-

**Antonio Smith** (1:58)
She was accepting an award at the-

**Deven Rall** (2:00)
Right, but I think the reason for telling the story, probably from Oprah's side, that she was trying to show how at the time, her audience was so loyal because she told her audience, I don't want anyone reporting on this, and I don't want pictures coming out because it could ruin her life. Well, we now have Whitney's interview, Charlie Neff did with Whitney's bodyguard, who was with her at the time, and he shares his account of actually what went down on the Oprah Winfrey show.

**Antonio Smith** (2:27)
So that's- He has some stuff to say.

**Deven Rall** (2:28)
So that's interesting. And then lastly, a little bit of a tragic, not a little bit, majorly tragic news, this massive earthquake in Venezuela.

**Antonio Smith** (2:38)
This just happened like hours ago, like our time out.

**Deven Rall** (2:41)
Yeah. So it's this tragedy that struck Venezuela.
You know, a good amount of people have died now. And there's just all this video coming out that is just insane.

**Antonio Smith** (2:52)
Insane.

**Deven Rall** (2:52)
Of all the damage and just different things that went down. So we'll get into that at the end. So we'll start with Obama.
Obviously, Trump has a lot to say about President Obama. And constantly, you know, make shots at him.

**Antonio Smith** (3:12)
It really sets the start of his administration.

**Deven Rall** (3:14)
Yeah, but I mean, that's maybe not Obama didn't do that, but I feel like every president kind of, you know, to me, at least like they, you know, blame everything that happens during their term on, oh, this is the previous person's fault.

**Antonio Smith** (3:28)
Right.

**Deven Rall** (3:29)
So he was, President Barack Obama was on the All the Smoke Podcast, which that's Matt Barnes, I think, the NBA player. And I think it's Stephen Jackson's podcast. Are we, we have the clip?

**Antonio Smith** (3:42)
No, there's no, we don't have it yet.

**Deven Rall** (3:43)
Oh, we don't have the clip. Okay, so-

**Antonio Smith** (3:45)
We have the quotes, though.

**Deven Rall** (3:47)
Yeah, you want to get into the quotes of what he said?

**Antonio Smith** (3:49)
So, basically, Barnes, like, on the All in Smoke podcast, he referenced Trump being very fascinated with you and your family talking to Obama and asked how he deals with the attention and the criticism from it. And Obama responded by suggesting that Trump is pretty preoccupied with him. He said, quote, I have a room in his head, a suite in his head, obviously. And it's interesting because, like, we all know, like, Trump has been highly critical of Obama's Iran deal and all the stuff with Iran going on with the peace agreement and then closing the Strait of Hormuz, then reopening it. Like, Trump has had a lot of stuff to say. And then I think that UFC comment that that one guy, Josh Huckett made, maybe inflamed it a little bit more. And even though Trump didn't say that directly and he actually was pretty upset by it, I think Obama being brought up with Trump is just inflamed a lot.

12 more minutes of transcript below

Feed this to your agent

Try it now — copy, paste, done:

curl -H "x-api-key: pt_demo" \
  https://spoken.md/transcripts/1000651996090

Works with Claude, ChatGPT, Cursor, and any agent that makes HTTP calls.

From $0.10 per transcript. No subscription. Credits never expire.

Using your own key:

curl -H "x-api-key: YOUR_KEY" \
  https://spoken.md/transcripts/1000774205289