501 - Donald Trump’s Endgame artwork

501 - Donald Trump’s Endgame

The Tim Dillon Show

June 27, 2026

Tim is joined by journalists Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman to discuss their new book “Regime Change” which covers the first year of Donald Trump’s second presidency.
Speakers: Tim Dillon, Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan
**Tim Dillon** (0:00)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Tim Dillon Show.
We have Jonathan Swan coming on, and Maggie Haberman, they are the reporters from The New York Times, who just wrote the biggest political book of the year, Regime Change. And this thing sold out everywhere, and it's about the first year of the Trump presidency. We talk Epstein, the war in Iran, the assassination attempt, Charlie Kirk, etc.
And it's doing very well. I was in a suburb of LA and I tried to get the book, and some woman, a larger woman, was like, it's sold out, you know, like kind of one of these.
There's just a certain type of person who works in a bookstore. It's a larger lass who has kind of that wet hair that kind of, you know what I mean? It's kind of curly, but it's not, you know, and she's got like a lanyard on and she's behind the information desk and like, hey, what about Regime Change? And she's like, it's sold out. They're doing a reprinting now.
And you're like, okay, great. So I couldn't even get it. I haven't read it and I won't, but I think it's important to discuss. No, because I know a lot of what's in it, but I will read it. I don't think I will, but I might. You should. Who cares? Everyone's reading it. We talk about Vance. We talk about Trump, Cash Patel. We try to get into stuff. It's hard to do anything in 50 minutes, which is what I realize. You know, they're on this massive press tour and I want to go deep with them. We tried and it is pretty good. I think the interview is good. But this is why when Rogan does three hours with people, it is much better because you scratch the surface.
But they're both really sharp reporters and they have tons of access to the White House.
But I tried to get that book. I couldn't get it. And I went over to William Sonoma to try to buy a bunch of stuff. And this woman was walking me around the store. What was her name? Halal? Hala. Hala?
And we got a bunch of stuff. But then I tried to do the tap and she goes, we need the actual card. Now I just have Apple Pay on the phone. I don't have the card info. So we had spent about 40 minutes walking around the store selecting different things and choosing colors of things. And then she goes, we don't, you gotta, we need the actual information. And then I just had to get in my car and leave. And I felt bad about that. Maybe I'll go back today with my actual card. I don't know.
I think they had the order and I might just come in with my actual card. They still have the order. I got a bunch of stuff I need. Got a nice coffee maker, a Breville.
Nice espresso, cappuccino maker, and exciting stuff. Exciting stuff there.
So this interview is coming up. And we hope you enjoy it.
I think it's a great interview, you know. But again, it's like they're writing for the New York Times. So again, there's no evidence Epstein's intelligence, and they haven't seen any evidence. No one's seen evidence. No one, you know, it's all, you know, okay.
All right. All you can do is ask.
And what people mean by that is like that they weren't in the room. Like there is evidence. I'm not trying to impugn their credibility because I know that they're like straight-laced reporters. They're like, we have not seen evidence. And it's like, well, there is though.
But I understand you haven't seen enough evidence to make that claim okay because they have standards, which I appreciate. But it's like, well, there is evidence. There's just not like maybe like, maybe you couldn't convict him in court, like that type of evidence. But I also think there's that evidence.
Also, I believe there's, ironically enough, I actually believe there's that evidence too. But, you know, you do the best you can. And I appreciated them coming on. These are the big dogs at the New York Times.
I asked them if they were afraid of getting replaced by me.
Because, and the Princess Diana bear. Hello, I'm the bear. Are you scared of being replaced by the Princess Diana bear? They have a serious answer.
They have a serious answer. But, you know, we're heading into the summer now. And I don't know that anyone will care about any of this. I don't even care about it. I don't care about any of it. You know, as I was doing the interview, by the way, I'm not trying to insult either one of them. As I was doing this interview, I don't care about any of this. I don't, I have no, it's just, I don't care anymore. I, because that's what starts to happen in the summer. It's like not, I know that I should, but I just don't. Well, the thing is that Netanyahu actually, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet. I think they're right. I don't doubt the reporting. How long can one care about this once it's quite obvious what this is? Once it's exposed like what it is, then how long can we care about like the finer points of it? Once you know it's all kind of a sham, how exactly are you supposed to care that much about how and why? It's like if someone rips you off, you got ripped off.

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