Why Patrick Clancy Is Suing Lindsay's Healthcare Providers

**Tony Brueski** (0:01)
This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Drake.

**Robin Drake** (0:08)
Let's move over to another conversation, more about the defense of Lindsay Clancy. The prosecution spent its first week building the intent case against Lindsay, but some of the most damaging testimony for the state came out of their own witnesses on cross-examination. Patrick Clancy testified under oath that not one of Lindsay's providers told him it was unsafe to leave her alone with the children. She had been to the ER for S-ideation. Some providers knew about intrusive thoughts involving the kids, and nobody seemed to weigh just how serious her condition was.
At the end of the day here, who put those children in danger? Because it doesn't seem like it's Lindsay Clancy. She's talking to doctors, she's expressing herself. The only thing she didn't say was the voices, but she did talk about intrusive thoughts. She did talk about having these feelings. And nobody once said to Kevin, hey, you know, don't leave her side right now. Like, just don't. I mean, honestly, the real answer, if it didn't have to do with insurance providers and getting approved to be in a hospital for X amount of time, she probably should have been institutionalized somewhere, but because we have the jackass insurance situation that we do in our country, I'm sure she couldn't be.
Other than that, it feels like the providers, I don't know, did they not take this seriously enough? Is this just something where, well, in most cases, it turns out okay, so we don't want to alarm anybody. I don't know why there was no intervention here, or at least something said to Kevin of, hey, don't let her be alone with the kids right now, just in case.

**Bob Motta** (1:49)
Yeah, I mean, here's what's going to come out during the defense's case in chief. And remember, like any other trial that you've ever watched, the state goes first. And then, as defense attorneys, we're always begging the jury, please wait. Don't reach a conclusion until you've heard all the evidence, please wait, which is, it's a tough ask because we're human beings and we form opinions early on in things. Some people form opinions during openings and that's not even evidence. It's just a statement of the facts as to whatever the state's theory and the defense's theories are. But people still reach conclusions on that front. But what we're going to find out is that she was almost early on.
When they missed the fact that she had postpartum with her second child, but more importantly than that is that she had a manic event, and they were unaware of it going into her third child. When she has Calvin and postpartum doesn't necessarily start immediately. When she starts to have the effects and she's feeling it, and then they don't look back at what was going on the last time she had it, and seeing that she had this manic event which is indicative of onset bipolar. Then they diagnose her with just postpartum, they ignore the bipolar aspect of it, and then they prescribe her SSRIs, and they put her on Benzos. You have this thing where I like, and none of the providers are speaking to one another. As she's moving from doctor to doctor, because no one's helping her. She's going in and saying, you gave me this and it's making it worse. You have Patrick calling and saying, what you did, what you gave her has made her 10,000 times worse than she was prior to help us. Can somebody help us?
And what you have is a situation is, how are the providers who have misdiagnosed and that are not speaking to one another supposed to warn Patrick of just how dangerous she could be? You know what I'm saying? Like that's what's going to happen here. That's what's going to be evident after all their experts testify, is that that's what happened here. That they didn't know to warn him. Because look, this kind of level of violence against one's own child, if you're the mother, is relatively rare. It certainly happens. But I don't think that a provider is going to immediately jump to, hey, you can't have her anywhere around your kids.
And when she's moving from treater to treater, and again, they're not speaking to one another, there's no continuity in the treatment. They don't know, but the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And it turned it into just an absolute nightmare result.

**SPEAKER_4** (4:45)
Yeah, I think they were facing their own confirmation biases, given her background, given her professional reputation as a labor and delivery nurse, and the fact that she was being so transparent, she must be going to be transparent about everything, except I think their lack of knowledge of truly what a psychotic event could look like and how it would manifest or not manifest outwardly is what one of their downfalls was on this. And I wanted to really highlight, because you mentioned his name again, the husband, Patrick, what really I watched his entire testimony to, extremely compelling, but you know what was amazing to me? Because again, you know, we all all of us on our show are so empathetic, we reverse that context and place ourselves in his shoes. And I was amazed at his depth of field of what his wife was going through, her appointments, her medications, the effects on him, and he was all in on his wife and what she was going through as her partner in this. Again, when we're looking for clues to when healthy relationships, to a mother who, according to the prosecution, was trying to get out of life, trying to get out of this, this is not the type of relationship you see when someone's all in. Someone so all in that he's standing by her side after the divorce, after she killed his kids, and even after he's remarried, still standing by her side because he understood what was going on so much. Props to him on that and God bless his new wife as well. That's got to watch her husband now go through and stand by another woman. I mean, there's a lot going on there. It really speaks, I think, to the character. When you can understand the character of one, you get a bigger snapshot of everyone involved. Because I know someone in the chat had mentioned, what's her background?