Why don't Brits protest like the French?

Ava Santina (0:00)

Am I tough enough?

Seán (0:01)

Strong and stable leadership.

Ava Santina (0:02)

Total ruba.

Seán (0:03)

Hell yes, I'm tough enough. Shut the fridge. Not another once.

Ava Santina (0:07)

It's the PoliticsJOE Podcast.

Love Podcast, jury out on Jeffrey Donaldson. Does that work? Sure.

Seán (0:16)

I don't think the jury's out whatsoever. The jury concluded that he should go to jail.

Ava Santina (0:21)

Bad that.

Seán (0:23)

Yeah, mental, mental. You addressed this with No Justice MTG last week, didn't you?

Ava Santina (0:27)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did, yeah.

Seán (0:29)

It was hot off the press at that point.

Ava Santina (0:31)

Okay, so we weren't, what we were actually just doing preamble there was we were talking about Kylie Jenner and the fantasy bra, the $50 million fantasy bra, a Victoria's Secret. And you were just telling me that you don't think that Timothy Chalamet and Kylie Jenner make a good couple.

Seán (0:45)

I think that, no, no, no, they make sense as a couple, but I think the type of person they are is so far on the ends of the spectrum of that type of person that it seems exaggerated that they're together. Do you know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Ava Santina (1:01)

Sure. I think, okay, I'm not really that bothered about it.

Seán (1:06)

I mean, neither am I. You're making a note as though I am.

Ava Santina (1:08)

Do you know what? Okay, the only thing I was going to say, and I was going to make a sort of a very like, women whining point again, but I was sort of, and you know, women hate other women and all of this sort of stuff before I embark on it, but I just, I was looking at her face, like when I saw it this morning, I just thought her face doesn't look real. Her face doesn't look real.

And I would normally think that really doesn't matter, but spending, I don't know, like recently I've been spending a little bit of time like when like I did a couple of conferences and things like that. And I was, a number of women, very, very intelligent women that I met, had a face full of injections. And I just, I find it so depressing.

I find it like, I mean, obviously do whatever you like with your face, it's absolutely fine. But I do think there's like this drip down of pressure when you see a face like Kylie Jenner's, and it's so rubbery, and it's so contorted. But it is, it is, it's so rubbery. And it's just not, okay. And then I went to see that film, Cat My Asthma, that Gillian Anderson's in, right? And Gillian Anderson's face-

Seán (2:11)

Fantastic woman.

Ava Santina (2:12)

Yeah, what a woman. And her face was moving. And I hadn't watched the film. I realized I haven't watched the film in a long time where a woman over 30, I could really feel her emotions.

Because I could see her face moving.

Seán (2:28)

It's interesting that I've only recently started to, this is probably completely unique to men, but I've never really paid attention to how injections and fillers and stuff impact a woman's face.

Ava Santina (2:43)

Oh, totally. I mean, have you tried to empathize with Anne Hathaway recently? I'm like, why?

Seán (2:50)

I mean, how do you feel Anne? Do you know what it has been for me is the traitors and seeing like Maya Jamma and Joanne McNally and those kinds of people and comparing them to Jerry Hall and seeing how Jerry Hall has this very, like, animated, fun, like you can really, you can see the humanity there. But there was an episode of if you've been watching the traitors and you're not caught up on a skip, like 30 seconds. But Joanne McNally gets caught out in something and she's, like, pleading her case, but there's no emotion in her face while she's pleading her case.

Ava Santina (3:28)

I love her. I think she's great.

Seán (3:30)

She's great fun. But in that, I was like, oh, maybe, maybe I am starting to understand the impact the fillers and Botox have on a face that I couldn't empathize with what she was saying because there was no human-ness to the... Obviously, she's a human, but there isn't, like, a relatable expression. Do you know what I mean? Sure.

Ava Santina (3:52)

I just...

Yeah, what's it doing? What's it doing to the way that we interact with people on an emotional level if we can't understand their emotions? So much of conversation is in someone's face.

Seán (4:05)

Well, yeah, it must be to do... Like, you know, the way they've been saying for the longest time that people like Kylie Jenner and that have, like, the Instagram face, like, faces like that are made for a small screen to sell you shit, all that kind of thing. And when you say, maybe that's what it is and you're seeing it on, like, a televised event, like the Victoria Secret Show, that television cameras are not made for her, or she's not made for television cameras. She's made for Instagram, she's made for a small screen, vertical angles, that kind of thing.