Viktor Orbán

**June Sternbach** (0:01)
Since the beginning of Ill Conceived, we've kept most of our focus on the United States. That changes with season three. We are now going global. We're going to start to take a look at how natalist policies and movements have manifested across the world and how they connect back to the pro-natalist movement in the United States.
And where else better to start than with who is credited with jumpstarting the modern pro-natalist movement? The now former far right leader of Hungary, Viktor Orbán. My name is June Sternbach.

**Josh Boerman** (0:31)
My name is Josh Boerman.

**June Sternbach** (0:32)
This is Ill Conceived, a podcast about natalism.
Josh, how are you feeling? You're feeling good, you're feeling great.

**Josh Boerman** (0:49)
I'm spry, I've never felt better.

**June Sternbach** (0:52)
That makes me really happy to hear. That's, I don't know what this intro is. We're just going into it.

**Josh Boerman** (0:57)
We're just going into it. We're going into season three with Bell's on.
I mean, I had mentioned, I was in the hospital, but I was able to get to Chicago and record safely and soundly. But we did have to postpone the live show as a result of me having been in the hospital, needing to recover, et cetera. But we've got some good news.

**June Sternbach** (1:18)
Thankfully, it's still on.

**Josh Boerman** (1:20)
Yes.

**June Sternbach** (1:20)
The live show is going to be July 2nd.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:22)
Yes.

**June Sternbach** (1:22)
Same venue, Lincoln Lodge.
So please, if you got tickets for the first one, if you're in town, get tickets in the new one. It's going to be a lot of fun. We cannot wait to see you guys there to do this show, to give you guys the talk.

**Josh Boerman** (1:35)
We've got a link down in the episode notes. And as June was saying, yes, we are giving you the talk. Basically, the concept for this show is that we are going to be getting our hands on a bunch of old, weird literature that is to do with puberty and the sex talk.
I'm going to be digging through various cursed evangelical artifacts, trying to maybe even see if I can track down some of the sex curriculums that we talked about in our episode about sex education.

**June Sternbach** (2:03)
Yes, we have to.

**Josh Boerman** (2:04)
And yeah, you're going to learn a lot. Some of the things that you'll learn might actually end up being contradictory some of the other things that you'll learn. Some of them might even contradict real facts. We'll see.
I'm sort of like in the process of starting to look into materials that we can use for this, but it's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to probably have some sort of an interactive component to it. And as we keep working on it, we will let you know exactly what it is that you can expect, but it's going to be a blast. We're excited to see it.

**June Sternbach** (2:32)
One thing is for sure though, by the end of the show, you will know what sex is. That's right. I don't know if a lot of people at this point know about that.

**Josh Boerman** (2:39)
I don't know if I can promise that. I don't know if I can promise that they will know what sex is genuinely.

**June Sternbach** (2:44)
They know, okay, maybe they won't know what sex is, but they will know what will tarnish their soul and send them to hell. That's right, June.
So both equally important things. So regardless, whatever takeaway from that show you get, it'll be very important and life changing.

**Josh Boerman** (3:00)
Absolutely.

**June Sternbach** (3:01)
So speaking of being sent to hell, today's episode, today's episode, it's our first episode of our new season. It's about Viktor Orbán, who was sent to hell recently. Wait, what about the mailbag?

**Josh Boerman** (3:15)
What about the Wolf Fins' mailbag?

**June Sternbach** (3:17)
I was leading there, I was getting us there. I just wanted to say, I just wanted that pivot, because I can't pivot that to our wonderful emailer. I don't want to say the person who sent us this wonderful email is in hell. He's certainly not in hell. We don't want him to be, I guess.
He might not have saved his soul, because he didn't go to our show yet. Right.

**Josh Boerman** (3:35)
That's the other thing. Going to the live show is going to save your soul. I feel like we forgot to mention that.

**June Sternbach** (3:42)
It's like, do you remember like, well of course you know, we weren't there for this, but the Catholic Lutheran split, this is going to cause a new split, a new religious split. Yeah.