Tyler Robinson Hearing: The Final Wrap-Up

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All right.

**Blake** (1:17)
Welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show. We are currently in a recess in the court on the fifth day of the State of Utah versus Tyler Robinson, the preliminary hearing. And we've got some great guys here starting off to help us make sense of the insanity that sometimes you see online, but also make sense of the court proceedings. And that is Kurt Schlichter. He is obviously an attorney. He's the author of a lot of books. Hold on, Kurt. I know you sent me. You got a new one, American Warlord. That's coming up. I want to make sure we give you that. Kurt, you're like a lawyer. Well, you're not like a lawyer. You are a lawyer and yet you're also a novelist, which you're prolific, by the way. So I want to give you a lot of kudos for that.
And so welcome to the show. We also have the very online famous and famous for his company, Justin Nazaroff, CEO of Phoenix Ammunition.
Gentlemen, welcome to the show. It's good to have you both on. As we're waiting here, since we do have a munitions expert, ballistics expert, let's start there.
What are some of the biggest misconceptions? Because Justin, I've seen you all over online right now. You're just going ham on everybody when it comes to ballistics. What are the biggest misconceptions you're seeing? What do you want to set the record straight with?

**Justin Nazaroff** (2:37)
Yeah, well, I think the first misconception is that there's something unusual about the lack of an exit wound. Previous to this preliminary hearing, we really didn't know the projectile that was being used, and now it's been confirmed and identified as a Remington corelocked. Very, very, very common soft point round that's been around for decades.
Anybody who's used one can tell you that jacket separation, fragmentation is something that can absolutely happen when these projectiles strike bone.
And so, this whole idea that it could not have happened and so therefore any suggestion that it was a bullet that killed Charlie must mean that there's some kind of greater conspiracy in play, you know, exploding microphones, electrocution, all this kind of stuff. I mean, we're seeing it now. These are the things that certain podcasters have been speculating on for months. And now, we're actually seeing the evidence in court. And it's pretty obvious what happened. You know, this is very, very common with hollow point and soft point projectiles. It's not at all unusual.

**Blake** (4:00)
Yeah. And, you know, you always hear that expression, bullets do funny things, they're unpredictable. This is a point you've been making for a while. Did you, Fenix, you were early on this. And, Kurt, I don't know if you're a gun aficionado, but basically you made the point that 16 out of 17 of the 30-06 caliber rounds that Remington manufacturers have this type of soft tip, which you would expect to sort of balloon out or mushroom out, designed not to leave an exit wound. What's the point of that for those that are unaffiliated with hunting or sport shooting?

**Kurt Schlichter** (4:37)
Well, look, as a lawyer, first of all, as an officer, I wasn't allowed to have a gun because I probably shoot myself in a foot. But what Justin's really doing here is a great job. I'm a big fan from online. I was reading his stuff today and he's providing a role here as an expert witness who's giving us expertise that normal people don't have. As a lawyer, I didn't know all the stuff, but I had the advantage of getting guys like Justin in who could explain things in common parlance so that regular folks could understand. Justin was talking about that today. He was talking about how soft point bullets work, what the purpose of jacketing is, how this ammunition is designed.