This AI helps thieves steal your iPhone

**James Ball** (0:02)
At what stage was this surprise? You know, we locked 15 murderers in a room, you'll never believe what happened next. Sorry, you can tell I used to work at BuzzFeed.

**Graham Cluley** (0:22)
Smashing Security, Episode 483 This AI helps thieves steal your iPhone. With Graham Cluley and special guest James Ball.
Hello, hello and welcome to Smashing Security Episode 483 My name's Graham Cluley.

**James Ball** (0:37)
And I'm James Ball.

**Graham Cluley** (0:38)
James, great to have you back on the show again. You've been keeping busy out of mischief, I hope?

**James Ball** (0:43)
Horribly busy for an August, actually. I think when you're a freelancer, it's a much busier month than people realise, because when everyone else is on holiday, you're working.

**Graham Cluley** (0:51)
It's miserable, isn't it? Anyway. But at least we've had a little bit of rain, so that's good.

**James Ball** (0:55)
I'm hoping Finchbury Park will look less like, you know, the aftermath of a disaster movie and a bit more like a park, because it's usually lovely.

**Graham Cluley** (1:03)
Yeah. Less like the Kalahari, hopefully.
This week on Smashing Security… We won't be talking about how the hacker who leaked footage of Gta VI cashed out his cyber-leak cryptocurrency for about $270,000, just hours before the game's launch.

**James Ball** (1:24)
You'll hear no discussion of…

**Graham Cluley** (1:25)
How malware hidden inside a Chinese wallpaper app encouraged users to disable their antivirus.

**James Ball** (1:32)
And we won't even mention…

**Graham Cluley** (1:33)
How an exposed API key helped hackers steal 86GB of customer data from Manchester Airports Group. So James, what are you going to be talking about this week?

**James Ball** (1:46)
Well, I'm looking to zoom us back a little bit from a whole bunch of the cyber-security rouse going on around AI models and just look into a bit of what it's telling us and how significant it is because I've had a couple of interesting conversations around that.

**Graham Cluley** (2:02)
And I'm going to be finding out how AI is helping to steal Apple iPhones. All this and much more coming up on this episode of Smashing Security.
Now, chums chums, we are just days away. I don't know how excited you are about this, James, but we are just days away from Apple announcing a new version of its iPhone. It is widely expected that on Wednesday, September the 9th, Apple is going to announce not just the iPhone 18 Pro, presumably with about 17 cameras stuck on the back of it, but also the iPhone Ultra, the first foldable iPhone.

**James Ball** (2:42)
Yeah, I'm still not sold on foldable phones, but I am an absolute certified Apple fanboy. I think I've got every bit of tech they've put out in the last decade, except the VR headset.
So I have very much a mark for this. And if anyone is going to get me to buy a foldable phone, it's going to be Apple.

**Graham Cluley** (3:02)
I mean, the thing with Apple is they're not always the first with a technology. I think Samsung on there has lots of Android phones which have been foldable for probably years by now, but Apple sometimes its implementation can be better or bring something new, which makes everyone change in their wake, doesn't it?

**James Ball** (3:18)
They've had a good habit of waiting till a technology is actually ready so that it's not the finicky thing that only an early adopter could love, but everyone will just go, oh yeah, this is great. And that does mean I do tend to sit and wait for them to do something because usually they've ironed out the kinks. There's been a few misses.

**Graham Cluley** (3:36)
There aren't too many kinks in their foldable iPhone, but of course it will mean that there will have never been a better time to have had your phone stolen, because if you're going to have it stolen, have it stolen just before Apple comes out with a brand new one, especially one which has something a little bit different about it, which you can get excited about. You know, it's the silver lining on the cloud, isn't it? It is.

**James Ball** (3:58)
If you ever had a phone stolen, Graham?

**Graham Cluley** (4:00)
I've had a phone lost before. I've lost my iPhone in the back of a cab in Edinburgh in the past, and I was able to track it for a few days as the taxi driver.

**James Ball** (4:11)
Oh, God.

**Graham Cluley** (4:12)
I did eventually manage to get it back, which was quite miraculous. Thank you to that taxi driver, eventually. But it is a very stressful situation, isn't it? It's very stressful because your whole life is running off one of these things.