The Obesity Debate: Breaking Down the Science | Dr. Faidon Magkos

**Dr. Gabrielle Lyon** (0:00)
Welcome to The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show, where cutting-edge science meets innovation and practical application for everyone. In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Faidon Magkos. Now, you may not have heard of him because he is not on social media, and in fact, he is one of the most well-published, well-researched, well-respected metabolic experts in the nutritional science and exercise physiology space. He is a full professor at Copenhagen, and he is in the Department of Nutritional Sciences. He has also published some of the most well-respected hallmark studies. In this episode, we discuss the true cause of obesity. Both sides, you've heard about calories in, calories out, and you've also heard about the carbohydrate insulin model. Dr. Faidon breaks it down from two sides of the coin, both perspectives to bring you the commonalities and the differences. Now, join me in this conversation with Dr. Faidon Magkos.
Faidon Magkos, we go way back. And you laughed at me, and I said, Faidon, we've been friends for over 10 years.

**Dr. Faidon Magkos** (1:24)
Yeah, that's about right.

**Dr. Gabrielle Lyon** (1:26)
That is about right. You are a professor in obesity and metabolism at the Department of Nutrition, Exercise and Sports at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark, which, by the way, your flat looks amazing.

**Dr. Faidon Magkos** (1:41)
Oh, thank you.

**Dr. Gabrielle Lyon** (1:43)
You know, it's really interesting because I met you at WashU. You were a professor at WashU. You, let's see, there's Harvard Medical School here. You have published over 200 papers, you know, with their impact factor of an average of 6.3. Each index is 54 And for those who are not academics, basically, I'm talking to a genius.

**Dr. Faidon Magkos** (2:13)
Thank you. Probably those who are not academics, they believe you. So.

**Dr. Gabrielle Lyon** (2:19)
But, you know, you said something to me that really struck me. And I don't, I'm sure you don't remember this, but I, you know, I would normally say this would embarrass you, but it's not going to embarrass you because probably most things don't. But you said to me something that I've taken with me for over 10 years. And you said, when you are average or mediocre, nobody cares about what you do. Do you remember saying that? But when you are great, people have these expectations. So how I took that was basically if you're functioning at a level and not producing and not providing, you know, it's kind of like great, whatever. But when you are exceptional, there's a lot of criticism.
And there is a lot of focus on your work. Do you remember telling me that? Is that a fundamental?

**Dr. Faidon Magkos** (3:13)
I honestly don't, but it sounds about right.

**Dr. Gabrielle Lyon** (3:18)
And you do not have a Instagram, YouTube channel or probably not even a Twitter account.

**Dr. Faidon Magkos** (3:23)
I do not. Yeah, I do not. I typically don't disseminate my research in those channels. So this is an exception.

**Dr. Gabrielle Lyon** (3:34)
Well, I feel very special.
And you didn't really have a choice but to say yes. There was no choice. And if someone were to Google your name, they will find a ton of citations. They will find a ton of papers. But I do want to mention that the quality of these papers, these are hallmark papers. They are their literature that has moved the field of obesity in ways that is so meaningful. And I don't know if anyone has ever said thank you.

**Dr. Faidon Magkos** (4:15)
Thank you so much. I mean, I think that you are too kind, but thank you so much for your kind words. I mean, some papers are better than others. I mean, that's the reality, right?

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