The Message Nancy Guthrie's Family Got From Her Kidnapper

**SPEAKER_1** (0:01)
This is HiddenKillers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke.

**Tony Brueski** (0:07)
We'll touch on one more case that obviously people are still talking about, we're still talking about.
And we are still lots of comments about Nancy Guthrie.
Eighty four years old, she just come home from dinner with her family, and by morning, she was gone. Blood on her porch, her doorbell camera dead, her pacemaker disconnected at 2.28 in the morning. For six months now, the people investigating this held two letters that claimed to explain everything, including one that says she'd already been dead and buried somewhere in nature. On July 31st, they finally let the public read them, and the question filling up our inboxes now ever since is the one no family should ever have to ask, do you believe the note? And I guess the big question is, should the family believe it? The second note says she perished shortly after she was taken, that she's buried in nature now. If that were my mom, this is a comment we got from somebody, if that were my mom, I don't know if I could accept a letter as an answer. Should the Guthries believe a word of it?
Well, that's a good question. Should they believe a word of these two notes? I want to just conjecture it here, too. Why the two are connected? Because there's been a lot of notes that have come in. TMZ has talked about all different ones. The only reason these two have any sort of weight is they came in early, they were from the same IP address, and they appear in that first one to mention things that some believe would be unknowable unless you were actually there. Saying that the floodlight was destroyed, which we still have yet to confirm if the damn thing was actually destroyed. People just seem to take that at face value. I talked to Cough about it the other day. I'm like, was it destroyed? Do we even know if that was destroyed and nobody seems to know for sure? Or if it was just burned out? Destroyed and burned out are a little different. And that the watch was found on the floor, and that that was noted, and that it was specific enough that of course someone would have to have been in the house to know it. I don't know. I think that's up for a little bit conjecture too. Robin, what do you think? Should the family believe that these notes have anything to do with the actual disappearance of their mother?

**Robin Dreeke** (2:24)
So, these notes, I think, are really, really good for investigators. They're good for us to understand what happened. It helps us remove all these wild conspiracy theories or really complicated explanations. So let's look at, really, we have two possibilities here that we're really left with that people seem to be locking in on. There's no other notes anyone's given any attention to, so we either have these two notes, like you said, they came from the same IP, so most likely from the same person, or they're fakes. Let's go down both avenues. So I'm edging towards, they most, I'm edging towards they actually are from someone, from the porch guy that went in this house. I'm edging on that side. So if I was, I was given a, I'll give a 60% on this one, but as always, maybe, and here's why. So if they are, my theory now, a good friend of mine, Dr. Chris Mahondy, he agrees as well as other FBI profilers, retired Jim Clemente and others, not all, but some agree that it looks like home invasion for something of value in the house that went sideways, panic escalation, she and Nancy is removed from the home. So why do the notes support that?
Because these notes, the first one in particular, does not fit any other standard or even expected or methodology as a primary, as in other words, Plan A for abduction. It was Plan B for abduction. And what I mean by that, even the FBI's words, I think is, or Pima County, one or the other, they said they're treating it as if it was an abduction, not it is an abduction, as if, because right, at the end of the day, it was an abduction for ransom. It wasn't the primary. That's why I hear that language, I say as if. So for me, note A and then B, we'll jet tune in a second, was because Plan A fell apart, could not find what they're looking for in the house, so they decided we're gonna take Nancy. And then what happened, so if money is your intention to get, and ransom was the way to get it, you would not have, one, you would have shown a sign of life, you would have made it easy to get the money, and you would have followed through on it. Rapid, succession, make it easy, in, out, gone. That is exactly how every single ransom goes, whether it's a novice or whether experienced, what the cartel, I don't care what it is. It's never ever been recorded this way, so laws of probability, zero. The second note then, let's take it as it's real, because this is the theory we're on right now, they completely gave up on the money.