The Full BOMBSHELL Lance Twiggs Video, Plus New Robinson Texts Revealed, with Geragos, Murphy, Aronberg, Eiglarsh, and Frei | Ep. 1356

**Megyn Kelly** (0:00)
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Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are in day four of the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing. It's happening right now, the man accused of murdering our friend Charlie Kirk. With the most anticipated moment of the entire week, expected any moment now, that is the recorded interview between prosecutors and Lance Twiggs, the alleged trans furry lover and roommate of Tyler Robinson. This has been a major point of contention between the prosecution and the defense. They have spent hours arguing over what would be played, how much of it and how much the public will get to see. The lawyer for Erica Kirk and her family has even now gotten involved filing this document, demanding that they be able to see and hear what the court is going to see and hear.
There's some restriction on what they're going to put out to the media, but Charlie's widow would like to know what the evidence is in her husband's murder case. It is ridiculous how weak this judge has been. He was only put on the bench last May, you can tell. He's not confident. He is overly indulgent of the defense's objections, whereas a seasoned jurist would have dismissed most of them out of hand. Noted, overruled, let's move on. He takes every single objection as seriously as if the US Supreme Court is going to weigh in on every single one. He doesn't have the confidence to put the ones that are serious and actually could get him in this trial in trouble in one category, and the ones that are obviously perfunctory and meant to preserve a record in a different category. And it's delaying this proceeding interminably. It is unfair. And by the way, he is treating the Kirk family like they are bystanders there with absolutely no stake in this thing. So they've filed this motion saying under Utah law, the crime victims' families have a right.
We have a literal right under Utah law to be informed of, to be present at, and to be heard at important criminal justice hearings related to the victim. And they say that right is toothless. If we're not allowed to see the evidence, how can we be excluded from the people who can see the evidence? The right to be present is hollow, they write, if the victim or his representative is physically in the room, but is prevented from seeing the evidence the court is receiving. A right to attend that does not include the ability to perceive what is happening is not meaningful presence at all. Consistent with statutory command that victims' rights be protected no less vigorously than the defendant's, the victim's family's presence must be a real one. The ability to observe in real time the evidence presented in the courtroom they are entitled to occupy.
This judge is taking it under advisement, he's going to look at it, okay. Right now at 12.03 Eastern Time, they are still haggling over which lines from the Lance Twiggs testimony will be removed from the public's hearing. We're not going to see the video, the defense won that objection. Why? Because they show him certain exhibits. That makes no sense that they're not in the evidence yet. Okay, you could redact the video for those portions. Why don't we get any video? It's absurd, it makes no sense. It's a preliminary hearing. You can have a witness take the stand and look at non-introduced exhibits. And by the way, now the defense, our friend Brian Enton is saying, oh, many lawyers are saying that this is somehow a fatal flaw, potentially that Lance Twiggs wasn't cross-examined in this video and won't be able to be cross-examined. That's not true. Witnesses, you're not entitled to cross-examination at a preliminary hearing. That's not something that you necessarily get. That's not going to clear this deal.
The prosecution is not doing anything wrong and the judge is treating them like they're trying to pull a fast one here. Indulging every single banal, baseless objection by the team representing the defendant that they make. It's just maddening. So as they rail over each word that we will or will not be able to hear in the audio only portion of Lance Twiggs' testimony, we are going to do a deep dive for you on Lance Twiggs, the man at the center of this hearing today.
So we're going to get you up to speed on him and then as they bring us his testimony, we'll take that in real time.
In September, a popular YouTuber by the name of Tom Swanson, who's known as Turkey Tom, that's his moniker at the platform, dropped a bombshell report about Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson. Swanson claims that a friend of Robinson's and Twiggs reached out to him, providing him with new details about their relationship, what life was like inside their apartment, and the events leading up to the shooting. First, some background on Tom Swanson. He's very popular on YouTube. He has over 1.5 million subscribers. He puts out long-form documentary style videos about online controversies mostly to do with internet and gaming culture, and that is clearly how this person found him. In September, he covered Charlie's murder in a 40-minute video that he posted to YouTube. Watch.