The Chief Therapy Officer, Job Titles as Culture Change, and AI as Spreadsheets, with Bryan Ross

**Coté** (0:00)
Well, tonight we accidentally ordered a pizza for pick up in another part of town. You know how it is, you're on a tiny phone, and you don't know what's going on. And also, I'm sure this happens to you all the time, Whitney, the site's in Dutch, so you're not quite sure what you're doing. And it turns out I had to drive somewhere to go pick up the pizza. Now it was in our old neighborhood, and we live kind of in the suburbs, which has all the benefits of suburbs stuff, European style.
But then I went to the neighborhood we used to live in, which is more in the city of Amsterdam, so it's more lively and it's warm here now. So people are running around in their shorts, they're outside, they're doing stuff, they're talking with each other. It's not quite like that stereotypical like New York street sort of thing, but it's just like crawling with people and on bikes and everything.

**Whitney** (0:49)
I can't get past Coté, I can't get past the fact that you ordered it, you're still gonna drive to the wrong part of town to get your pizza. Like, I think maybe that makes you a good person or something. I'm not sure I'd do that. I would at least call them to be like, hey, I messed up, I'm not getting the pizza. You can eat it, you know, or whatever you do with unpicked up pizza.

**Coté** (1:09)
We couldn't figure out how to cancel it without calling them. And I think, I think.

**Whitney** (1:14)
All this driving was to avoid a phone call.

**Coté** (1:16)
Well, it's funny you should. So first of all, I wasn't the one who ordered the pizza. I was the clean up person, so to speak.

**Whitney** (1:25)
I don't think that's relevant, but good to know.

**Coté** (1:27)
Yeah, and then it also didn't occur to me, halfway into driving, that we probably should have just called them. So anyways, that's how that started happening. But you know-

**Whitney** (1:39)
Okay, now I can hear the rest of your story.

**Coté** (1:41)
Thank you for saying that. Every time I go furthers into the city, there's a certain point where you get to the tourist part of Amsterdam and I don't have this thought. But I go kind of into this area. I'm like, this place is great. Why don't we live here like we used to? And it just kind of like invigorates you seeing all this action around and stuff.
I know the reasons, more or less, kind of sort of. But it got me thinking, how do you pick which part of the city you want to live in?

**Whitney** (2:13)
Well, actually, I'm thinking lately, especially I live in Austin, Texas, and it's wildly hot here right now. This time of year, every year, I'm like, why do I live here? I need to move.

**Coté** (2:25)
You have the flip thing that everyone in the Netherlands has, and also this part of the world, as our guest probably knows equally bad, is like when it comes to late fall to about February, you're like, why the fuck do people live here at all?

**Whitney** (2:43)
Yeah. And Texas politics are dicey, so there's more and more reason to get away. So I have been scrolling Zillow lately, being like, what's next for me? I think I want to go back to the Midwest where I was raised, because it's slower, people are super friendly. It seems like nowhere is climate change proof, but it seems like it's better than Texas. I guess that's everywhere. But being by the Great Lakes where there's fresh water, lots of it, that sounds good. It seems like a good idea.
But then I'm like, do I want to live in a city? Am I a city mouse or a country mouse now? I think I may be turning into a country mouse.

**Coté** (3:25)
Interesting.

**Whitney** (3:26)
I want to be in nature all the time and hang out with deer and owls, and that's who I talk to. And everyone on Zoom all the time and Claude.

**Coté** (3:35)
Yeah, you want to be a digital mouse on your desk and a country mouse otherwise. Well, how about, well, guest, Bryan Ross. We worked together for several years and we've... Is this true? We don't know. We don't keep up extremely, but we keep up with each other more or less.
I don't know why I'm thinking that and saying it out loud, but let's get back to the point.

**Whitney** (4:02)
Your whole life, Coté.

**Coté** (4:05)
Saying things out loud, but I'm not sure why I am. Anyhow, are you a city mouse or a country mouse?