The Annihilator: The Man At The Train Station — Ep. 2 | MK Confidential artwork

The Annihilator: The Man At The Train Station — Ep. 2 | MK Confidential

The Megyn Kelly Show

August 12, 2026

Tonight’s “MK Confidential” begins at the police station in Westfield, New Jersey, in the wee hours of the morning. It is the summer of 1971, and officers have brought in two teenage girls for smoking cigarettes.
Speakers: Rhonda Hanson, John Emil List, Megyn Kelly, Stephen Simring, Barry Cohen

Topics: News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

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It is a hot summer night in 1971, well past two in the morning, and the desk sergeant at the Westfield New Jersey Police Station is watching over two teenage girls. Their crime is close to nothing. Staying out past midnight with cigarettes, laughing their way down a main street that had long since gone dark. In a comfortable town like Westfield, that alone is enough to get you brought in. So they sit and they wait red-eyed for someone to come and claim them. The first father arrives rumpled and half asleep, annoyed at the police for not simply driving his daughter home. It's an ordinary dad reaction, the kind of father anyone would recognize. The second father is not like that.
The second girl is Patricia List. When her father walks into the police station at half past two in the morning, he is wearing a suit, a pressed suit, a clean white shirt, a dark tie, and a faint smell of aftershave. He had been asleep, someone called to say his daughter was at the station, and before he drove down to get her, John List stopped to put on a pressed coat and tie.
The police chief, James Moran, hears about it the next morning, and it sticks with him. Who gets up and puts on a suit, Moran wonders, with a white shirt and tie at 2.3 in the morning? One of his officers has an answer. Oh, I know that guy, says the officer. Lives in the big house up on Hillside Avenue. I've seen him out there mowing his lawn in a suit and tie.
That night driving home, John List does not say one word to his daughter. He is a man who almost never raises his voice, but once they are inside the house in the front hall under a big amber chandelier, something in him lets go. You are out of control, he yells at her. You are going straight to hell and there is nothing I can do about it. Four months later, Chief James Moran will stand in the ballroom of that same house and look down at the bodies of Patricia List and her mother and her two brothers and her grandmother, and the first thing that will come into his head is the man in the suit and tie at 2.3 in the morning. The guy in the suit, he thinks, that guy did this.
In this episode, we go back, way back to the beginning to find out who that man was and how a shy devout accountant came to murder his entire family and to tell himself right up to the end that he was doing the right thing.
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