The Annihilator: Bob Clark is John List — Ep. 4 | MK Confidential artwork

The Annihilator: Bob Clark is John List — Ep. 4 | MK Confidential

The Megyn Kelly Show

August 14, 2026

“MK Confidential” begins with a man who is actively getting away with murder. John List arrives in Denver and politely applies for a new Social Security card, under a new name. Robert P. Clark.
Speakers: Frank Bender, Megyn Kelly, John List, Timothy Benford, John Walsh, Eva, Jeffrey Hummel, Richard Walter

Topics: News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

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In the third week of November 1971, a tall, bespectacled man in a coat and tie sits by the window on a westbound train, watching the flat, brown grasslands of the Great Plains slide by for a day and a night, until the land finally begins to rise toward the Rockies. The train is taking him toward the mountains he has always wanted to see, the Colorado Mountains. He has a suitcase, a briefcase, and just under $2,500 in his wallet. What he does not have yet is a name.
The man has left almost nothing to chance. Behind him, in the long-term lot at Kennedy Airport, his family's impala sits in a crowded row, and on the front seat in a small, neat stack are his Michigan alumni card and his accountant's license, with his own name left in plain view. As the miles slide by, he eats and thinks back over his plan, the way he might check a column of figures. He chose Kennedy Airport on purpose. Newark is closer to his home in Westfield, and a simpler route, but Newark Airport is not where a man goes to leave the country. He wants police to find his car at the big international airport, with the name John List sitting right there on the seat, and his passport gone from the house. When investigators finally come looking, he means for them to look at the departure gates, the flights to Europe, and the ocean. And they do. The FBI runs down every passenger on every flight leaving the New York airports around November 10th and gets nothing.
He can picture the manhunt he hopes to have unleashed on the wrong side of the world. He's not crossing an ocean. No, he is on a train rolling toward America's heartland, and he knows no one will look twice at a quiet man in coach.
He thought about going to Phoenix, and then decided it was too hot. He thought about San Francisco. Too many hippies. So he settled on Denver. On the 22nd of November, 13 days after he murdered his entire family, the man walks into a Social Security office in the middle of Colorado. He is balding, big-eared, and courteous to the point of disarming. He pushes his glasses up his nose as he explains apologetically that he has lost his Social Security card. A clerk hands him a form.
He writes down a name that is not his and a birthday that is not his either. So the man on the form is six years younger than the man holding the pen. He signs it Robert P. Clark. No one asks him for a birth certificate. No one asks him for anything. A few minutes later, the clerk hands him a card with his new name, and he walks back out into the afternoon as somebody else.
In 1971, a form and a signature is all it takes to become a new man. John Emil List is dead to the world. Years later, John would describe the shift in his mindset.

**John List** (3:53)
I guess as time went on, I saw less and less of family. I suppose I was just thankful to be living a free life, and I didn't want to be incarcerated if it wasn't necessary.

**Megyn Kelly** (4:09)
Thankful to be living a free life. That is the man three weeks after he shot his wife in their eating space, climbed the stairs and shot his mother, and then waited out the afternoon to kill his three children as they came home from school one at a time.
Now he has a new name, a new age, and a clean slate if he can keep it. For the next 18 years, one of the most wanted fugitives in the country will hide in plain sight by being the most forgettable man in every room. I'm Megyn Kelly, and this is MK Confidential.
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