Teal Swan - Beyond the Veil of Ego, AI & Wisdom

Dave Asprey (0:00)

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You're listening to The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey. Today's an in-person recording here at the studio in Austin, Texas. And your guest today is none other than Teal Swan. And you may have seen an awesome documentary about We're going to talk about the show, which is the first one out here that came out, what, a couple years ago?

Teal Swan (1:41)

That first one would have come out more than seven years ago.

Dave Asprey (1:44)

That's seven? I just watched it. What was that one called?

Teal Swan (1:46)

Open Shadow.

Dave Asprey (1:47)

Open Shadow. And I heard about Teal because actually Denica Patrick and I were talking about this after we did one of our shows together, and Denica said, I really like Teal's work. So I checked out, I'm like, oh, this is a really unusual human being who's been through one of the more unusual upbringings I think you could possibly even make up, even though it's all real.

And then you've just emerged with this unusual ability to talk about psychology and like the masculine and feminine, and shadow work, and loving yourself, I think because you got so wrecked early on. Is that a good way to put it?

Teal Swan (2:24)

Yeah, I mean, my ability to talk about this is a unique combination between my own suffering and a lot of information that I have access to, that the majority of people on earth don't have access to because of extra sensory abilities.

Dave Asprey (2:34)

When you start talking about that, suddenly your voice gets really, really even and it's almost like you're channeling some other voices or a reason. What's going on with that?

Teal Swan (2:41)

No, it's more me getting quiet because I've been very careful over the last X amount of years to create a steer clear of areas where it would make people completely discredit me, shall I say. There's a lot of people who are not ready for that type of information, and I don't feel like my purpose here on earth is to convince people about extra sensory stuff.

Dave Asprey (3:00)

I feel your pain.

So when I started the biohacking movement, it was about 11, 12 years ago, and there was no such thing as biohacking. So I wrote the definitions like the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you, so you have full control of your own biology. When I started this, guys, you might have heard this. I've already been down to Peru and done ayahuasca when they said like you're white, why would you do that? This wasn't a tourist industry, and I've been to the Himalayas and the Andes, and I've studied these lineages around the world. I didn't add that in to biohacking. I just mentioned ayahuasca. I mentioned yoga. If you dump all the stuff that's possible into something, then people try to just cut at you. They already do anyway. Yes, put butter in your coffee. If that makes you mad, get a therapist. I don't care anymore. If that makes you mad, seriously, it's been proven to work. But the number of hit pieces, even Joe Rogan.

At the time, it was really traumatic. He came after me hard, he had a commercial interest in messing up my reputation. And the more they're talking about you, the more important your work is. So Joe spent 18 months saying, Dave's a snake oil salesman. And it was really traumatizing. I had to do work, actually, the forgiveness work that I do at the core of my spiritual practice with computers glued to my head. At the end of the day, I realized every time he says my name, I sell more coffee. And it doesn't matter what he says. Just keep talking. Just keep talking. So, Jo, thank you for teaching me about the way children, when they're bullied and they don't heal the trauma, how they behave as adults. So I appreciate that your bully was able to trigger my bully so I could fully heal it. If you'd like to talk about that sometime, I got you. Now, there's a hit piece out on you now. And how does it make you feel when someone comes after you like that? When you're like, I can do this, but I want to talk about it?