Stuart Stevens: We've Got Death Squads on Our Streets

**Tim Miller** (0:12)
Hello, and welcome to The Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Glad to welcome back to the show, a former Republican media consultant. It's been a minute though. He worked on five presidential campaigns, including as chief strategist for Mitt Romney. He's a senior advisor to the Lincoln Project. His books include The Conspiracy to End America, and It Was All a Lie. It's my buddy Stuart Stevens. What is up?

**Stuart Stevens** (0:31)
Hey Tim, great to see you, man.

**Tim Miller** (0:33)
Good to see you too. I was, in my head, like over the last month or two, I was like, I'm gonna wait until fall to have Stuart back on. I was thinking, maybe, I don't know, I might have him on like September 18th. I don't know if you have any plans on September 19th.

**Stuart Stevens** (0:48)
You know, the 20th would be better because you're not to gloat, but that's okay.

**Tim Miller** (0:55)
We'll get to it then. That will be the payback game of laying kiffin, LSU going to Ole Miss. We'll discuss that at the end, but I just, I couldn't wait till the fall. So we'll meet again in September. I want to start with you with this ice killing in Houston. Because I think that this is getting a little less attention than the pretty and good killings for a couple of reasons. Number one, we kind of don't treat illegal immigrants as humans, even subconsciously. People are like, it's not as big of an outrage or whatever than killing a white American citizen. I think that's part of it. And also, just we've had less footage, like there are just so many angles of the pretty and good shootings that was clear for everybody with eyes to see that the administration was lying. But I mean, I don't know how close you've been following this case, but it is crazy. I mean, the guy was killed by ICE in Houston. He had three other people in the car. He had kids that he'd raised in America. He'd been here 35 years, no criminal record. DHS said that they opened fire after he ignored commands and attempted to ram the officer. But there are three other witnesses in the car.
They all say that the officer fired at them immediately after exiting his vehicle. Driver didn't veer in that direction.
One of the other guys in the car from jail, they're all still in detention center right now, being pressured to self-deport. One of them, Jose Rojas, wrote, it's impossible for them to say they were going to get run over. There were no officers in front of or behind the vehicle. They were on the sides. Photos show no damage to the van. This just seems like Renee Goode all over again.

**Stuart Stevens** (2:27)
Well, look, we have a name for this. We call it death squads.
That's what these ice stations are. They're just roaming death squads to feel that they have, and so far it's been proven right. If they shoot somebody, fine. There's not going to be any prosecution. One of my pet things here is how the Democrats have to erect a structure to hold the illegality of the Trump administration, the criminality across the board. It's going to be up to the state attorney generals, I think, because Trump will pardon everybody. My model is like the tobacco twerk. When attorney generals got together, they picked it up.
If it's January and 29 and early into that year, and Stephen Miller isn't on trial or living in a non-extradition country, something will have failed. That's what you have to go after. You have to go after Stephen Miller, have to go after Christine Ohm, you have to go after these people at the very top.

**Tim Miller** (3:24)
Yeah. Maybe Stephen Miller can go to El Salvador. He was excited to send people there. I'm sure they'd house them.

**Stuart Stevens** (3:29)
I'll just say, Tim, occasionally I get depressed, but what consistently cheers me up is to think that Stephen Miller's kids are going to grow up in a minority majority country and there's nothing he can do about it, except maybe like found a new road easier and moved there. Or maybe Iceland. I don't know. He can move there with Tim Paxton.

**Tim Miller** (3:46)
He's doing his best to, don't lump Tim Paxton with me. That's a Tim Paxton insert. He's trying to stall it a year or two with the immigration coming in. We're only letting in the Afrikaners, but I don't know that it's going to hold.

**Stuart Stevens** (4:00)
He's trying to make America safe for white people again. It's really been such a burden that we've carried as white people.