Shawn Ryan: Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

**Tucker Carlson** (0:05)
Thank you for coming back, Shawn.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:07)
Love coming back here.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:09)
So, I was thinking about you this morning, you've had this kind of unbelievably weird and varied life, and maybe the weirdest chapter is now unfolding where you somehow wound up a successful podcaster, probably not something you planned.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:24)
Definitely not.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:25)
20 years ago, what if you learned from it, from this chapter?

**Shawn Ryan** (0:29)
What have I learned?
Well, I probably only retained 10% of the information that comes through the studio, to be honest with you. And everybody expects me to be a resident expert on anything. I can't remember shit. And then I think I know something and I have dinner with you last night and I realize I really don't know. I don't either.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:45)
Yeah, it's the ignorant meeting the ignorant.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:48)
But what have I learned?
I've learned I never want to involve myself in the US political system or vouch for any man again. I've learned that.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:04)
Wait, let's just stop there. So you didn't start out a hyper political person. I remember when your podcast started, my nephew told me about it. He loved it. So I met you because my nephew was so impressed by you. And it was mostly on military issues. And then there was this period where you, I don't know, got involved, but you got closer to the political process.
And now you're saying you don't want anything to do with them.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:29)
No, I never, I just don't.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:31)
Why?

**Shawn Ryan** (1:34)
Well, I mean, I think we kind of discussed it last time. I just, everything is a lie. We, like that became like a coin term, I guess, but everything is a lie. I mean, every politician I've sat across from, with maybe the exception of Eli Crane, who I disagree with on a lot of, I hate that I even have to say that. I don't agree with everything they have to say. Why the fuck do we have to say that? I like Eli.
He's very pro Israel. I'm not, but he can articulate why he is and whatever. I respect it. At least he's not just regurgitating shit, like most people, but everybody else is just, it's been a lie. And then the other thing is, I mean, which it really shouldn't bother me, but you talk to somebody and then it's like, how dare you platform that person? And it's like, actually, I probably just did you a favor because he just spent four hours lying to me on my podcast that you're going to be able to use for his next political campaign. Exactly. Too fucking stupid to figure that out, aren't you?
But I mean, and they do, and I just, I don't know. I put a lot of faith in a lot of these guys and women that have come on and really the only one that really impressed me was Joe Kent in the long run. Everybody else has just been a wash or a complete disaster. Just a lying piece of shit. What about you?

**Tucker Carlson** (3:21)
As we discussed last night at dinner, I'm still trying to figure out what all of this means as someone who campaigned for Trump and told everybody Trump is the option to the union party. You got Republicans, Democrats are on the same side, but Trump is not. He's on a different side, maybe even the public side.
And then Trump, the last hope, winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and just joins the union party in the most obvious way. At that point, you have to ask yourself, is there a political solution to the problems that we have? And I don't know the answer, but I'm starting to think maybe there isn't.
I don't know. I feel as discouraged as you do though. I don't articulate it quite as well and forcefully as you do, but I kind of feel that way. So, but I'm interviewing you, so let me ask you, you're out of politics, so where does that leave you? What matters? What takes its place?

**Shawn Ryan** (4:20)
I think, I mean, just, I'm not sure yet. I'm still, you know, we talked last night, I'm kind of going through, not kind of, I'm going through a crazy spiritual transformation right now. And I think, I think God needs to be highlighted and maybe some, and some good stuff. I mean, nobody's, I mean, you just, you can't put faith in man at all. And it's kind of sad to watch everybody scurrying around, trying to find the next guy and, and who's it going to be? And, and you can already see people just like, blindly like putting their faith into another human being. And it's sad. And, and spent a lot of time.