Russell Brand: The People Trying to Imprison Him, Trump’s Fall, Speaking to God, and His Mayoral Run

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**Tucker Carlson** (0:25)
I'm ready.

**Russell Brand** (0:26)
Heavenly Father, thank you for this chance for us to be together, where two or more have gathered. You are present, Lord.
Can you help us to put aside any prejudices or biases that we might carry into it? Can you help me, Lord, not to look at Tucker as a person that exists for my benefit, or to facilitate me, but to know that he is, like me, a person that's broken and that will die one day, and that we're here to love one another and serve one another. And by the way, we love one another. They will know that we are in you and that you are in us, Lord. Let's communicate graciously and with grace and do nothing that dishonors your name or your kingdom, which we are here to serve however you decree. We pray in the name of God the Father with all your infinite creativity and wisdom, God the Son with your compassion and your holy sacrifice taking on our sin, and God the Holy Ghost who moves among us mysteriously now in communication and endless unity. Amen.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:16)
Amen. Thank you.
Boy, that is the prayer, isn't it? Not to look at people as someone who can do something for you.

**Russell Brand** (1:25)
Yeah, sort of objectify even powerful people.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:27)
So you were just reading me, because I want to talk about your book and I want to talk about your journey as a Christian, and we will, but I just can't resist this. You were just reading me from Daniel in your marginalia filled Bible from Daniel 11 And I was just so struck by it. I took a picture and sent it to like 20 people. Can you read the passage that you just read me?

**Russell Brand** (1:52)
It's from Daniel 11.36. The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and will say unheard of things against the god of gods.
Would you like me to continue?

**Tucker Carlson** (2:05)
Please.

**Russell Brand** (2:07)
He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed. For what has been determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors, or for the one desired by women. Nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses, a god unknown to his ancestors. He will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.
At the time of the end, the king of the south will engage him in battle and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. He will also invade the beautiful land.
Many countries will fall but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. He will extend his power over many countries. Egypt will not escape. He will gain control over the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt with the Libyans and the Kushites in submission. But reports from the east and the north will alarm him and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. He will pitch his royal tents between the seas of the beautiful holy mountain.
Yet, he will come to his end and no one will help him.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:39)
Ripped from the headlines.
That was just so striking to me, shocking, actually. I've read it. I don't want to completely miss that. It hits differently right now. How often do you read the Bible?

**Russell Brand** (3:55)
Well, every day. I was reading the Bible in one year by Nicky Gumbel and obviously the Bible is not by Nicky Gumbel. I'm sure he would come close to making that claim as many Christians do. Sometimes I feel like I've made it up. I'm brilliant. Even now I'm trying to take credit for reading this out. Yeah, I've understood this in a way no one else has. Anyway, I started off with that, which is like having training wheels on a bicycle. And then I left it on a plane and I thought, wow, I'm going to have to just start reading it. Now every day I read the scripture for about an hour and I pray and meditate as well as reading some devotionals doing some breath exercise. I remember when I met years ago His Holiness the Dalai Lama, someone said like, you know, oh, he meditates like eight hours a day. And I thought, well, that seems excessive. But now, like, what else is there to do except be in continual prayer? Increasingly as my walk with him, yoke to him continues, I recognize any time I let go of his hand, any time I step back into even neutrality, neutrality metastasizes immediately into self and therefore sin. I see sin now, Tucker, not as the transgression of stealing or lying or whatever, but as the mental state that precedes it. When I'm in that mental state where suddenly I elevate myself like Lucifer, like the fallen one, I think I can create my own circuitry, my own neurological circuitry without his angelic agency. As soon as I'm in that, I belong to the world again. I belong to empire. Forget the tyranny of those most powerful people in the world. Even in my petty trivial tyranny, I bear their insignature, not his. It was you, in fact, that made the observation.