Respect for Any Body Size | Women at Work | Podcast

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**Nina** (1:00)
Body size is on my mind because I'm constantly, I'm thinking about how I present myself and how I'm perceived and how I can climb my own career ladder. And you know, why haven't I had success in some areas and wondering whether or not people are listening to me or hearing me or thinking that I have, you know, leadership presence so that I can be considered for other opportunities and even be promoted.

**Amy Bernstein** (1:32)
Nina is a Diversity and Inclusion Manager. In that job, she strives to create an environment where everybody is accepted, no matter who they are, including their race, age, gender, and weight.

**Amy Gallo** (1:45)
Personally though, she says she's been fighting to stay a size 12

**Nina** (1:50)
Oh gosh, the fight is, I think part of it is because I'm mad at the clothing industry. It's very hard to find clothes for work and going out and everything in those, in a 14, not even the 24s and the 26s, but even in a size 14
And so trying to not go higher than 12, so I don't have to struggle with the clothing and being uncomfortable and not feeling confident.

**Amy Bernstein** (2:21)
That's how she felt going back to work after having a baby.

**Nina** (2:25)
When you're pregnant, people have lots of empathy. After you're pregnant, people are just like, what's wrong with you? Why isn't the baby weight melting off? And I was in a training position where I did orientation every few weeks. And so I'm in front of people and I want to wear a suit and look professional and energetic and have people take me seriously and I'm worried about parts of me spilling out.

**Amy Gallo** (2:49)
She also started worrying about not fitting a mold.

**Nina** (2:53)
I feel like there's so many leaders around me who were thin, thin women. And I have never had a moment where someone said to me, you're a mess, get it together. But certainly seeing the women around me who are in leadership positions, even the top women at my previous employer, demanding careers, decades of accomplishments, and all thin and wearing certain designer clothes. And so they've achieved all this and never gained 20 pounds even when they had their kids or did stress eating. And so it may not have been in the form of someone saying to me, I can't promote you because you look a certain way.
But it was in the messaging of women who were in leadership roles around me.

**Amy Bernstein** (3:45)
But now that she's in the leadership position just as she is, Nina's not sure how much longer she'll keep up that fight to stay a size 12

**Nina** (3:53)
Because I think that there are some things that just naturally happen with age and with menopause. I know I have to adjust.

**SPEAKER_1** (4:00)
This episode is brought to you by Accenture. When your advertising operations fall out of sync, everything else follows. Spotify and Accenture are working together to reinvent the rhythm of ad sales using automation, analytics and smarter workflows to simplify campaign delivery and access better data across the business. The result? Less time spent on operations, more time connecting brands with the moments and fandoms that matter most. Learn more at accenture.com/spotify.

**SPEAKER_2** (4:31)
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