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Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

September 8, 2026

On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad welcome Lauren B. Jones—founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners and author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI—fresh off the farm in Northern California where the roosters clock in at 4:30 a.m.

Speakers Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, Lauren B. Jones

TopicsCareersBusinessTechnology

Joel Cheesman (0:00)

Dude, it turns out that Winston, Smart Recruiters' first AI hiring sidekick, is taking all the grunt work out of Recruiters' Day.

Things like candidate screening, scheduling, all the admin garbage no one actually wants to touch. Winston can do it all.

Chad Sowash (0:17)

Man, you know I'm a fan of using new tech that takes the boring, repetitive crap out of a Recruiters' Day and allows them to have more time to connect with hiring managers and candidates.

Joel Cheesman (0:29)

Yep, Winston is doing the heavy lifting while Recruiters kick back and do the actual hiring stuff. You know, like talking to people.

Chad Sowash (0:37)

I really dig that Smart Recruiters is evolving out of the legacy ATS model and embracing cleaner processes using AI. With most ATS providers, it's like, hey, 2003 called and it wants its 30 minute application process back.

Joel Cheesman (0:53)

No doubt, it sounds like Rebecca and the team are using Winston to push Smart Recruiters into the future while the ATS vendors are basically on an AOL dial-up modem with a dashboard.

Chad Sowash (1:05)

With Smart Recruiters, Winston does the grind and the recruiters get the glory.

Joel Cheesman (1:11)

For more information on superhuman hiring with Winston, visit smartrecruiters.com. That's smartrecruiters.com.

Chad Sowash (1:19)

Start using Winston today or I guess you can stick with...

SPEAKER_3 (1:25)

Now we return you to our regular scheduled program, In Progress.

SPEAKER_4 (1:29)

Hide your kids, lock the doors. You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts.

Lauren B. Jones (1:40)

Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark.

SPEAKER_6 (1:44)

Buckle up boys and girls, it's time for The Chad & Cheese Podcast.

Joel Cheesman (1:53)

Oh yeah, it's the podcast your lunch lady warns you about. This is The Chad & Cheese Podcast everybody. I'm your co-host, Joel Cheesman. Joined as always, Chad Sowash is writing shotgun as we welcome Lauren B. Jones.

No relation to Albie Sherr, by the way. She's the founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners and author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI. Lauren, welcome to HR's Most Dangerous Podcast.

Lauren B. Jones (2:23)

Well, I'm super happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

Joel Cheesman (2:25)

And we're happy to have you. For those that don't know you out there, give us kind of a Twitter bio about Lauren.

Lauren B. Jones (2:31)

Yeah, I'm the founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners. As you said, I have been in the staffing recruiting industry for almost 30 years. I live on a farm in Northern California with my husband who builds race cars. I build tech stacks. He builds race cars. What kind of race cars? He builds for the BMW series.

It's club racing for middle-aged men with too much money and not enough sense. So just like we like them.

Chad Sowash (2:57)

This is the economy for him.

Well, excellent. In Northern California, it's morning for you there. What time is it in California right now?

Joel Cheesman (3:07)

What are you farming?

Lauren B. Jones (3:08)

It's 7-eleven. Yeah, the roosters went off at 4-30.

Chad Sowash (3:12)

So you've been up for a while. So it's all good.

Joel Cheesman (3:14)

Oh my God.

Lauren B. Jones (3:15)

I've been up for a while.

Joel Cheesman (3:15)

Things I never thought I'd hear on one of our podcasts is the roosters go off at 4-30. Thank you for that, Lauren. It only took about 10 years of podcasting to finally hear the roosters.

Lauren B. Jones (3:25)

It's funny.

Chad Sowash (3:26)

We have Portuguese roosters here and they sleep in.

Joel Cheesman (3:29)

So I love that. They drink a nice cappuccino before they get up in the morning there in Portugal.

Lauren B. Jones (3:34)

Apparently. I wish mine would drink a cappuccino.

Chad Sowash (3:39)

So we've got a book that we're going to talk about and we'll get to that. But the grander issue, talking about AI, talking about we've seen all of these reports, all of these articles, blah, blah, blah, talking about adoption, not being able to reach ROI, all these different things. And I mean, really, we're still kind of like in the R&D phase of AI for companies that are out there. Should we really expect at this point to have it all figured out? I mean, that's what it feels like. Whenever you hear it on the news, or you read it in an article, it's like, why haven't these companies figured this out? And it's like, this is some new shit still, right?

Lauren B. Jones (4:15)

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