Presidential Pardons for Sale! DOJ Whistleblower Reveals All.

Tucker Carlson (0:04)

Jonathan Gross, thank you so much for doing this. So you've had this remarkable life, and I almost hesitate to ask you to start with your bio, but I just want you to explain one thing, because I think it frames the conversation that will follow. So you're a congregational rabbi, meaning you have a congregation. You're not just a symbolic rabbi, you're actually running a synagogue in Nebraska, in Omaha.

And then the next thing you know, you're a lawyer working at DOJ on civil rights cases. Like, how did that happen? Those are totally separate worlds, I think.

Jonathan Gross (0:40)

Yeah. So, yeah, I was a rabbi, and I followed in the footsteps of my grandfather, who was also a rabbi. And I did that for about 15 years, 10 years, in Omaha, Nebraska. I'm very proud of that career. And then-

Tucker Carlson (0:54)

But that's a full career. I mean, that's like a full-

Jonathan Gross (0:56)

Yeah, I was-

Tucker Carlson (0:56)

You didn't just dabble in it.

Jonathan Gross (0:58)

No, no, no, it was a full career. Yeah, absolutely. That's for sure.

And yeah, so then we moved back to where my wife's family lives in Baltimore, Maryland. And at that point, we decided that I wanted to move into something else. I'd always wanted to be a lawyer, I think, since I was in college. And I went back to law school at the age of, I think, 37 or 38 years old with four little kids. My wife encouraged me and we made it work. And I graduated, thankfully, and I went, you know, did the clerkship making $40,000 a year, working for a judge and filling up water pitchers for the litigants at 40 years old. And then, but thankfully, I was able to move into a pretty good career. I was working at a civil rights firm that was, we were doing pretty high level civil rights, religious liberties work. And then, then January 6th happened.

And I saw what the government was doing to January 6th defendants and it distressed me and my wife greatly. And my wife doesn't like me, you know, telling this story so much because she's heard it so many times. But basically we were sitting around one Friday night and we were just praying. And I said, why isn't anybody doing anything? And she said to me, you have to do something. And she encouraged me to quit my job and figure out how to help January 6th defendants. And I didn't know any January 6th defendants. I had never practiced criminal law a day in my life, but I knew that I had to help. So I just, me and my wife together.

Tucker Carlson (2:36)

I mean, a mother of four small children, all your kids are at home at this point. That's not the person who typically encourages her husband to quit his job and go into something with no real prospects of getting paid. Like, why would she do that?

Jonathan Gross (2:50)

Because she's an extraordinary woman with a deep faith in God. And she encouraged me to do that.

That's just wonderful.

Tucker Carlson (2:57)

So I just, you told me that at breakfast. It made me emotional.

I just wanted to get that on tape because that's incredible. So what happened next?

Jonathan Gross (3:04)

So I turned my eyes towards my father in heaven and I said, I know you want me to do this. I don't know what to do. And it's a long story. A few things led to the other. And ultimately it came because I met Marjorie Taylor Green, who was one of the most unbelievable advocates for January 6th defendants. As a congresswoman, there wasn't much that she could do, but whatever she could do, she did. And one of them was to introduce me to people. And she got me involved in J6. I got my first defendants through her. And then I tried to help as many as I could. And they started calling me from all over the country and I represented over 20 And I advised probably close to 100 of J6 defendants. I tried to help everybody that I could. And some people I charged nothing. Some I charged a nominal fee of what they could afford.

And I'm very proud that I did that. And we did it for all the way up until January. I had a trial scheduled for January 21, 2025, which was canceled because President Trump pardoned people. But they were arresting people until December of 2025 They would have gone, I mean, December of 2024, they would have gone forever with arresting people. So then when President Trump was elected, and I did everything that I could to try and get into the DOJ because President Trump had expressed that he wanted to get to the bottom of this weaponization that was going on.