Power of Trump 2.0, Why Elon and DOGE are Working, and Independent Media's Impact, with Jason Calacanis and Chamath Palihapitiya of All-In | Ep. 1008

**Megyn Kelly** (0:00)
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Valentine's Day and happy Friday. And nothing says love like inviting on your show one of your frenemies. No, he's not a frenemy, I'm just kidding. But you guys may remember Jason Calacanis of the All-In Podcast, and I have a kind of special relationship. It goes all the way back to his first and only appearance on our show. That was about almost, what, three years ago, June of 2022, episode 337, when I ended up calling him a prick. That's not nice, but our relationship has really evolved. I actually really like him. And I think we've put our differences in the past, though we'll find out today, including spending some time together at the All-In Summit last September. I'll just give you a little like memory lane before we bring him on along with his co-host Chamath, because you may remember this money exchange. It got a lot of attention. Here's the longer one when he was on the show three years ago. What I'm trying to dispute is the attempt to now say, we've got to get guns because of all the mass shootings. The mass shootings are what justify our newfound push on quote gun control. And what it is to me is a dodge on the rising crime rates, which have been a drag on the Democratic ticket and are going to take them down come the midterm elections in October. It's gaslighting.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:39)
So how many people do need to die in a mass shooting for it to be changed?

**Megyn Kelly** (1:41)
Why don't you answer my question, since you're here as the guest and I'm the host.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:44)
Was there a question?

**Megyn Kelly** (1:45)
Yeah.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:46)
I thought we were here to answer. I think you're conflating a lot of different issues in a very partisan way to get ratings.

**Megyn Kelly** (1:53)
That's bullshit. Don't question my motives. This is where you turn into a sort of an asshole. You asked me what I think.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:57)
That's what I said. That's what I think. What you said that there's a PC around.

**Megyn Kelly** (1:59)
I'm giving you my honest analysis. And for you to say that I am misleading the audience for ratings is a prick thing to say. You don't know me. All right? I've made my name and I've made my business based on honest journalism. I realize you may be number 26 worldwide, but you've never done real journalism at the level I have. So that's how our first meeting went.
That's just good fun. And then he was gracious enough to have me at the All-In Summit along with Chamath and of course, David Sachs was the other person in that. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll see who's part of that show as well. And now he's working for the Trump administration. David is, but in any event, those guys all had me out to the All-In Summit last September, which was really fun and enlightening. The guests were amazing. I really enjoyed myself and Jason got a lot of guff for the exchange I'm about to show you, but I saw it very differently. I did not think he deserved all the guff he got because he knew I was a lawyer. He knew that I knew what I was talking about. I think he was being a generous host. I think he was trying to let me show some of my knowledge on this case and people were like, he's an idiot. People on the right didn't like him, but I think they misunderstood that he was actually being generous to me. Here is the exchange that literally went everywhere.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:21)
We look at the five cases six months from now or a year from now. Let's assume all five of them go to trial. He's guilty of three so far.

**Megyn Kelly** (3:28)
What do you mean he's guilty of three so far?

**Jason Calacanis** (3:30)
He's been convicted of three. Sorry.

**Megyn Kelly** (3:31)
What do you mean no he hasn't?

**Jason Calacanis** (3:33)
I love this. No, E. Jean Carroll was guilty.

**Megyn Kelly** (3:37)
That was not a conviction. That was a civil case.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:39)
Yes, so that's what I'm talking about.

**Megyn Kelly** (3:41)
Okay, but there's a big difference.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:42)
Yeah, and the Trump organization, they're guilty there.

**Megyn Kelly** (3:45)
Again, civil, liable, liable.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:47)
Yes, of course, but these are the cases we're talking about. In the third one.