Play Is The Miracle Drug: Dr. Kelly Starrett On Movement, Recovery, & The Wellness Trap

**Rich Roll** (0:01)
This episode is sponsored by Seed, this thing right here. If you have ever tried to fix your gut, you've probably run the gauntlet, a probiotic from the grocery store, powders, yogurts, whatever the internet swore by that month. And if you're like most people, you waited a few weeks, you tried a bunch of things, you felt nothing, nothing changed, and you just kind of quietly gave up. But here's the part that nobody tells you. Most probiotics don't even survive digestion. And that's exactly why seed sits apart and why I've trusted DSO-1 for years, which is their premium product. DSO-1 uses a capsule-in-capsule system. They call it Viacap. And what that means is basically the delivery system is designed specifically so that these 24 strains actually survive digestion and get delivered where they're meant to go. It's working at a deeper level, targeting the root of daily digestive distress instead of masking it. And that's really the difference between something that sounds good on a label and something that you actually feel. Ready to feel the difference? Here's what you're going to do. You're going to use my code RICHROLL25 for 25% off your first month of seed, ds01, at seed.com/richroll.
Eating well rarely falls apart because of one big failure. It's the daily question that wears you down, like what am I actually going to make tonight? What's in the fridge? And it's exactly why we built the Plant Power Meal Planner. It's a personalized plant-based meal planning program that matches you with recipes based on your taste, your allergies, your cooking skills, and how much time you actually have. You build through this program a balanced, nutrient-dense plan for your entire household in a few minutes. Then it generates a grocery list for you with one click that plugs right into our delivery partners. All the recipes in the program are built by dieticians with culinary training. Plus you get your own food coach to help you problem solve along the way. It's kind of an amazing thing. For listeners of the show, all you special people, we're offering an exclusive $20 off, an annual subscription right now.
To get it, go to meals.richroll.com, take your quick personalization quiz, and enter promo code Richroll20 at checkout.

**Kelly Starrett** (2:24)
Everyone learns better through play. Play is the miracle drug.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:28)
Dr. Kelly Starrett.

**Rich Roll** (2:29)
He's worked with professional athletes, Olympians, elite military personnel, corporations as well.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:34)
He teaches people how to move better for the sake of sport and for everyday living.

**Rich Roll** (2:39)
What are the principles that are actionable and applicable to the average everyday athlete?

**Kelly Starrett** (2:44)
People are treating their training like a Super Bowl weekend every weekend. PR, PR, PR, PR, PR. And if there is no off season or down time, and you are on this belief that you have to make constant progression, that is a misunderstanding of how this works. If it's going to be a sustainable experience, we better go and have fun. That's how I want this to leave us. I want it to leave us so that we go out into the world and we're better people.

**Rich Roll** (3:11)
The last time I saw you was, I think, it was probably eight months ago. We were both at a wellness conference out of town. I was in the early days of recovering from the surgery.
I don't think I was still wearing a brace, but I was probably like 50 pounds heavier than I was.

**Kelly Starrett** (3:30)
You were amongst us, you were in it.

**Rich Roll** (3:32)
Probably in a semi-deflated state, realizing how much patience this was gonna require and how long this road was going to be.
Here we were at this event in which a lot of like, quote unquote, like wellness influencers were speaking. And you and I are both kind of OGs in this world, whether it's fitness or wellness, where we've seen a lot of changes. You know, there's been a lot of- A lot of euphemism changes. You know, one thing about this conference is it was undeniable, like how huge wellness is. Like it was just like a giant convention where people had spent a lot of money and a lot of well-known people were speaking. But there was also like a convention hall filled with vendors of every imaginable product. And, you know, I was just reflecting on kind of the current state of wellness, what it was like when you and I were kind of both coming up in this world, how much it's changed, and how in certain ways it's really become deranged.

**Kelly Starrett** (4:39)
That's a kind word.