Piers Morgan: Polishing Trump's Turds

**Tim Miller** (0:00)
Hey, everybody, we got a double header for you today.
And it's going to be a doozy. I've been trying to get Piers Morgan to have the tables turned on him for a while now. And so he booked this date, not planning that the Grand Platner Campaign is going to blow up the night before. And so I didn't want to waste time with him on that. So if you want Platner takes, we've got plenty of options for you. Me and Sarah over on The Bulwark Takes Feed did almost an hour on Platner Alone, The Next Level, which comes out on Tuesday nights. Sam is in for JVL. We're all still sending our love to JVL and his family, but we'll be discussing Platner more there. We'll also be discussing Mitch McConnell, who is MIA. So there'll be some discussion of that as well. So if you're looking for Platner, McConnell takes TNL or head over to The Bulwark Takes Feed. On this show, it's a double header. We get into serious business about military affairs in the world with Mark Hertling in segment two. So make sure to stick around for that. But up first, it's Piers Morgan.
All right, he is the host of Piers Morgan Uncensored on YouTube. It's Piers Morgan himself. The tables are turned. Welcome to the show.

**Piers Morgan** (1:24)
I'm a bit apprehensive about this, because I suddenly realized you've never interviewed me. And I've had you on my show many times, thank you. But this is like the real poach-a-turn gamekeeper, as we would say in England.

**Tim Miller** (1:35)
I love that. I love that you're apprehensive. Well, I'm going to start with a compliment. We're going to start, you know, we're going to butter you up at the beginning, because we may have some disagreements to get to.
I've been trying to have you on since your interview with Russell Brand. It was a real moment of professional jealousy for me for this reason. For people who didn't watch it, you were asking him about what Bible verse he was referencing, and let's play what happened.

**Piers Morgan** (2:02)
Thank you for asking me. Thank you.
It was this from Isaiah. You're right, Beard did say, you know, be chilled. Sometimes I lose the chill, man. They don't like that, do they, in the old gallery?

**Tim Miller** (2:18)
But remember you just said it's a hired spot.

**Piers Morgan** (2:22)
This is from Isaiah.

**Tim Miller** (2:27)
The verse that I was looking at that day was not this.

**Piers Morgan** (2:35)
I can't actually find the verse that I had that day.

**Tim Miller** (2:38)
That goes on for over a hundred seconds, Piers. How did you do that? What was going through your head? How did you summon the will to just sit there and let him turn the pages for almost two minutes?

**Piers Morgan** (2:51)
Well, as you know, in our game, silence is normally the enemy, right? I mean, everyone talks about dead air, and it can be just a few seconds. When I was at CNN, if you had three, four seconds of silence, it was something that would launch an investigation into. Obviously, my team were in my ear saying, you may want to get in now, let's get in now, because it was as it went on. But I could just sense there was something quite magical, unfurling, which was that this grifter, and I think we can safely say he's a grifter, who had become a born-again Christian seven months after all these allegations flew against him, had gone into court in England, clutching this Bible which had all these little notes attached to it and passages underlined and so on. And so I asked him the obvious question, which was, well, which of the passages brought you most succor at your difficult moment? And he said, well, there's one in particular. Now, if you were a genuine born-again Christian, and you were really, as he claims to be, completely immersed now in daily life with your new relationship with God and the Bible and Christianity and so on, you would probably remember the verse that you're talking about, which was the one that was most important to you in your hour of darkness. Not only could he not remember it, he couldn't remember where the hell it was in the Bible. So as he continued to rustle, pun intended, I realized this was very illuminating because I think what it really showed, and this was the view of most people who watched it, was that it's probably all a bit of a grift and that he's not really reading the Bible every day and he's not really into this quite the way he would like us to think. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but that was certainly my feeling.