Paying for AI, freezing iPhones, & avoiding scams on the AppleInsider Podcast

**Wesley Hilliard** (0:04)
Hello, and welcome to the Apple Insider Podcast. I'm your host, Wesley Hilliard, and I'm joined once again by William Gallagher.
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Join Apple Insider Plus, that is a paid portion of the show. You can get through Apple Podcasts or Patreon. This week, we're going to dive into, why do people want Mac OS on iPad anyway, and would it even work? Like, is this something we want? Is it, what's the mind share here? What would it actually do? And will touch screen laptops make up the difference? Will people hush up about this once we get that MacBook Pro? We're going to talk about that in the aftershow for obvious reasons, due to news this week. We'll get into it. But William, how are you doing over there today?

**William Gallagher** (0:54)
I'm all right, actually.
I'm planning a research trip that will mean spending thousands of pounds to travel thousands of miles to sit in a locked room for 11 hours a day for 10 days in a truck. I won't even see where I'm going, and I'm absurdly thrilled by it. Let's not press. How are you?

**Wesley Hilliard** (1:13)
I'm good. I want to point out first, we got an email about the Apple Glass segment, the glasses segment we did last week.
Yeah, we didn't specifically mention it there, but we've mentioned it before, and I want to make it clear that we fully are aware and understand the accessibility implications of glasses with cameras.
Clearly, that is an amazing benefit, and Meta charges you for that accessibility option, sadly. But I do think that that is an interesting technology. I mean, even the Apple Vision Pro does a really good job of when you're wearing it, if you have that setting on, telling you what objects are, how far away a door is, and stuff like that. So I can see that translating very greatly to glasses. And if that's the only use case we get out of these things, then perfect. That's still an amazing selling point. There are plenty of people in the world that would need that with little vision loss to high vision loss. So absolutely clear point in this. But yeah, it's gonna be complicated societal wise to actually figure out how to get this to everyone else and it be okay without getting punched in the face. So any other comments on that, William, before we move on?

**William Gallagher** (2:25)
Well, only in that you re-emailed about it and I've realized, I forgot to tell you this.
We had an email this morning as we record this from the researchers who wrote a research paper about the use of AppleVision Pro in a particular type of surgery, which I can barely spell, let alone pronounce. And yeah, they loved that we covered it, but it's such a great story. We'll find a link for it because five surgeons tried out this, all five love it.
It's 1% of the cost of the equipment they usually use, and it's significantly better for all sorts of reasons. So I think the conclusion was the cost is not insignificant even for a hospital, but it's such a bargain. It was a fascinating read and I'm glad we got to cover it. But it's a treat when actually somebody you write about loves what you wrote. Kind of sent us practically fan mail. It was fun. So thank you for reminding me of that.

**Wesley Hilliard** (3:19)
This word is specifically aggressive.
Endoscopic, dacriocic- nope, I can't do it.

**William Gallagher** (3:27)
No.

**Wesley Hilliard** (3:28)
Dacriosis.

**William Gallagher** (3:28)
I've had an endoscopy in the past, but we're not going to talk about that.

**Wesley Hilliard** (3:31)
Dorhinostomy. Dacriosis.

**William Gallagher** (3:33)
Yeah.

**Wesley Hilliard** (3:34)
Yeah. Anyway, there's seven syllables in that word.

**William Gallagher** (3:36)
EDC or something. No, that's everyday carry.
Okay. It's one of those.

**Wesley Hilliard** (3:42)
But it's a fascinating use of it. Yeah. It's such an interesting technology. I think that's one of these things that we're going to have to get past as technologists, as fans. Apple really made it hard for a lot of us to see past the iPhone and its successes. It blew up in a way that nothing else ever has or ever probably will, at least not in our lifetimes.
So everything compared to that shining sun looks like a dim flashlight. So when the Apple Watch came out, for the first three or four years, it was this is a failure. Why does Apple even bother? Now, it's just taken for fact that it's the most popular smartwatch on the market. Every other smartwatch fell off, got bought by Google and made worse in some way, to the point that they barely exist outside of Apple Watch. We've got these Fitbits and stuff and those are cool. We'll get to that in a minute, actually. But it's interesting seeing how these trends go. I'm not saying that in a couple of years, Apple Vision Pro is going to be heralded as the greatest invention of mankind, but these trends do happen. New hardware, it's a failure to acceptance, to normalization.