One Juror Did WHAT During Lindsay Clancy's Deliberations?!

Tony Brueski (0:01)

This is HiddenKillers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke.

Tony Brueski (0:07)

Let's go over to another case that obviously we've been talking about. Everybody's got an opinion on the jury deliberation drama.

The Lindsay Clancy trial had ended in that hung jury, 11 to 1 deadlock, and now the jurors are beginning to break their silence. We're hearing raw, unprecedented accounts from the inside the deliberation room, shouting matches, deep psychological trauma from Patrick Clancy's 911 call, and a lone holdout who allegedly checked out and was scrolling on his phone. We're going to be breaking down the juror psychology, how 12 everyday people handle secondary trauma, and whether an objective verdict is even possible when postpartum psychosis collides with this unimaginable tragedy. Robin Dreeke, retired FBI Special Agent, Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program is here to do that with us.

One of the jurors, the holdout, juror 10, said the lone holdout completely checked out and was just staring at his phone, again, this is their account, while the other 11 begged him to deliberate. That's interesting. I mean, Robin, when you're dealing with someone who totally shuts down, is that someone shutting down under pressure like that? Or is that someone who's not necessarily shutting down, but has made up their mind and you've got a room of 11 angry people that all want you to go the other way? I don't know. I guess I might go on my phone too. But again, why do you have your phone in the jury room? That's another question. These are going to be a great conversation for Bob tomorrow. But what's going on when we're to that point in the jury room that scrolling on your phone is a better option than actually doing your job?

Robin Dreeke (1:56)

You know, I'm going to do Sonja Haight. I'm going to actually take a cop out on this one. And here's why, Tony. There's so much sheersay going on about what happened in that jury room.

I definitely don't want to be the one piling on the one holdout. I definitely don't want to be saying the others are right. I definitely want to be saying the wrong, because it's all coming through a lot of conjecture from their observations. And actually, I've served on a jury in the past two, and they can be contentious. And so I think that I don't like what I've heard about how he held out and the things he said, if they're true.

The problem is, since he hasn't stated himself what they are, and you actually have 11 angry people, 11 angry people are going to say the things they want to say, because they're angry. It can be accurate. They can't, I mean, it's just, this is a really tough one.

Tony Brueski (2:48)

It's going to come to their prism of their viewpoint, no matter what.

Robin Dreeke (2:51)

Exactly, exactly.

Tony Brueski (2:52)

And I'm not to say their viewpoint is wrong, you know.

Robin Dreeke (2:54)

And the problem is, I don't think it changes the outcome.

And so I don't want to hurt the justice system and the jury program because by piling on and allowing these things to get as heated as they are, I think it does hurt the system a bit, because the system is actually working still. You know, we don't like, we, some people, half the people don't like the outcome. Some people don't like how it was put out to the, I mean, there's so many things that were different on this case, on so many levels, that of course this came out like this. I'm in the boat right now of, hey, I think Reddington is still doing an amazing job of defense. There's lots of issues being raised. If Cruz was dead set on not taking a plea deal, I think we'd already know that we're going back to trial, and he hasn't announced that. So because I want to really honor the jury system itself, and that, hey, these are a jury of your peers in that area. Does that mean there's going to be different flavors, that there's going to be different backgrounds, there's going to be different ways that people engaged life, different education levels?

Yeah, that's the way it works.

Tony Brueski (4:08)

That's what we have juries for.

Robin Dreeke (4:09)

Yeah, and if it works out that he said those things, even though I have reasonable doubt, I'm still going this way, that's a problem, but I don't think it's anything we can do about it now. Right, I know.

Tony Brueski (4:22)

That's why I want to talk, I mean, I should have talked to Bob about this tomorrow.