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Oliver Burkeman: Give up Control, Save Yourself

What Now? with Trevor Noah

August 27, 2026

Are you constantly overwhelmed by your to-do list? Obsessed with productivity hacks? Always feel like you’re falling behind? Trevor and Eugene sit down with author and journalist Oliver Burkeman to rethink our relationship with time, success, and control.
Speakers: Trevor Noah, Oliver Burkeman, Eugene

Topics: Society & Culture, News

**Trevor Noah** (0:05)
You've probably written, for me personally, I think for many people, but for me personally, one of the most influential and important books of my life. So thank you.

**Oliver Burkeman** (0:15)
I'm so glad to hear it.

**Eugene** (0:16)
What book is that?

**Trevor Noah** (0:17)
Four Thousand Weeks, changed my entire life.

**Oliver Burkeman** (0:20)
Slightly blows my mind, but I'm very, very happy to hear it.

**Trevor Noah** (0:22)
Changed my entire life on this planet.

**Eugene** (0:26)
How and why?

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**Eugene** (2:58)
What airline is this?

**Trevor Noah** (2:59)
New Zealand has, they have a bed section in the back of the plane now. Six bunk beds.

**Oliver Burkeman** (3:07)
All right.

**Trevor Noah** (3:08)
With like a full mattress, closes off for you, total darkness.
And you go and sleep in that pod for like four hours and you just book it. I think it's a great idea.

**Oliver Burkeman** (3:18)
I think so, yeah.

**Eugene** (3:21)
So, my issue is, any passenger who's at economy, going up there and sleeping for four hours. One, I know that passengers at economy like taking advantage of situations.
I've seen how they abuse the drinks.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:38)
I like how you say, day like you didn't fly economy your whole life. My man. This guy, you're making it seem like... You're making it seem...

**Trevor Noah** (3:45)
If I was to apportion your flights as a pie chart, the portion of your life that's business class and the portion that's economy... You wouldn't even see the slither of business class.

**Eugene** (3:56)
And that's enough for me. It's enough for me to know.

**Trevor Noah** (4:00)
I like how you say they, not us.

**Eugene** (4:02)
It's enough for me to know. Because I've seen flight attendants coming to gossip about economy class passengers at business class.

**Trevor Noah** (4:10)
Damn.

**Eugene** (4:12)
When you're at the galley, when you have the seat next to the galley, you hear them complaining about 6 Irish coffees. I mean, really?

**Oliver Burkeman** (4:18)
But why is the bed going to be any more or less gross than the seat?

**Eugene** (4:21)
Glad you asked that question.
Because they like taking advantage of situations. Four hours is going to be done. They're going to ask passenger whoever to move. Oliver's not going to want to move because he's having such a good time. And what law enforcement do we have up in the sky, Oliver?

**Oliver Burkeman** (4:38)
Well, officially, those cabin crew basically have the powers of the police.

**Trevor Noah** (4:44)
Doesn't every flight also have an air marshal?

**Eugene** (4:45)
No, I think that's a myth. An air marshal's story.

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