Nicolle Wallace: The Sore Loser Is Trying to Ruin Our Elections

**Tim Miller** (0:00)
All right, everybody, just wanted to give you some programming notes for while I'm away, since this is the last pre-vacation podcast. We got you, obviously, a great guest, the best person I could think of. Well, here's the plan. Next two weeks, we're gonna have Summer Fridays, so no show on Friday. You'll get four Bulwark podcasts each week.
We're gonna have different guest hosts, all your Bulwark friends, Sam, Sarah, JVL, Bill, some surprise guests. It's gonna be great. Show might come out a little bit different time-wise, a little later, a little earlier, you know how it is. And these guys, they're all busy and they're all doing this for me. It's a favor, working extra time. So if you could do me a favor and be nice to them, send them positive feedback in the comments, let them know you appreciate them. I would be grateful to that. So I will see you guys in two weeks. Up next, Nicole Wallace.
Hello, and welcome to The Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is the last pod before you're rid of me for two weeks. And so I had to bring in a fave, a friend. She's the host of The Best People podcast. She's the host of Deadline White House every Monday through Friday at 4 p.m. on MS Now.
It's Nicolle Wallace. Hey, Nicolle.

**Nicolle Wallace** (1:22)
Hi, friend. Where are you going?

**Tim Miller** (1:25)
I am going to Germany and then France and then Mexico. So we're covering the whole world.

**Nicolle Wallace** (1:31)
Covering, can I stow away? That's amazing.

**Tim Miller** (1:34)
Yeah. So, yeah, we're going to do Gay Dads in Europe and then Family at the Beach.

**Nicolle Wallace** (1:39)
I love it so much.

**Tim Miller** (1:40)
I love it so much. Like last year, I took one week off. What's your vacation schedule?

**Nicolle Wallace** (1:45)
Oh, this is so bad. So I've taken two days off to go to a baseball tournament and I have all this like vacation guilt. It should take a couple of weeks.

**Tim Miller** (1:54)
You have a guilt to go away, you mean?

**Nicolle Wallace** (1:56)
I have like, I have vacation guilt. Yeah, I've got to get over it. It's a me problem.
There's not any reason. I should plan a vacation. You're inspiring me.

**Tim Miller** (2:05)
You do have to get over it. And here's why I'm doing two weeks this year. It's two reasons. One, last year I did one week to go see Oasis with my friends and I came back and it was like the worst week of my life.

**Nicolle Wallace** (2:14)
Yeah, reentry is brutal.

**Tim Miller** (2:16)
And I was like, you know, I feel like reentry will be better if at the end of the vacation when I do another bonus time with family, where it's just the family. I feel like by the end of that, I'll be like, you know, work sounds fine.

**Nicolle Wallace** (2:26)
Yeah, yeah. Two weeks is a good stretch. I feel like the older you get, the longer it takes to be on vacation. So the longer you have to stay on vacation.

**Tim Miller** (2:33)
That's true.

**Nicolle Wallace** (2:34)
Yeah.

**Tim Miller** (2:34)
The other thing is, I just, and this kind of ties to our topics, the next two years are going to be insane.

**Nicolle Wallace** (2:39)
Yeah.

**Tim Miller** (2:40)
And we have a dementia riddled old man.

**Nicolle Wallace** (2:41)
We've said that for 11 years.

**Tim Miller** (2:43)
I know. But that's something I was like, I don't see how I can take two weeks next year. I knew we're going to have literally two presidential primaries and a dementia riddled autocrat trying to hold onto power. I mean.

**Nicolle Wallace** (2:55)
I'm afraid to leave the, you know, in those circumstances, you know, you want to make sure your passport is current and whatnot. Exactly.

**Tim Miller** (3:02)
Exactly. I know. I had the lawyers that tell me to keep the phone off at customs. It's fine. The cash is, cash is otherwise distracted right now. I don't think they're pulling my...

**Nicolle Wallace** (3:13)
No whiskey bottles for us.

**Tim Miller** (3:14)
Custom. We're pre-taping this Trump's speeches in a couple hours. But as you said in the green room, it's always old crazy with him. It's no new crazy. So I think we can speak about it as if we've seen it. Here's what we know so far. When asked by a reporter, he said that, the reporter asked if it would concern election machines and integrity. Trump said it would concern that subject. We'll have a couple other things. Really big news. Our country has to shape up.