Moving from Bitterness to Resilience with Toni Collier
With The Perrys
October 5, 2026
Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry.
Speakers Jackie Hill Perry, Preston Perry, Toni Collier
TopicsChristianityReligion & SpiritualitySociety & CulturePersonal Journals
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Preston Perry (0:33)
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Toni Collier (0:43)
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SPEAKER_1 (0:55)
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Preston Perry (0:57)
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Jackie Hill Perry (1:16)
Hi, St. Denise. How are you? What's good, what's wrong? I hope you're good. I ain't going to hold you, the mic being over here is kind of, but yeah, I don't really know what to say.
Toni Collier (1:27)
Me neither.
Jackie Hill Perry (1:28)
Okay, so we got Toni Collier here. Hi, Toni.
Toni Collier (1:31)
Hi.
Jackie Hill Perry (1:32)
How are you? And I like your outfit. You're all here.
Toni Collier (1:34)
Honestly, I stayed up all night. I was like, how can I be cool? How can I channel a Perry? I am a Perry.
Jackie Hill Perry (1:41)
What?
Toni Collier (1:41)
And then I came up with this color, and then I remember you said the bold pant, and I've got the bold pant.
Jackie Hill Perry (1:48)
I like it.
Toni Collier (1:49)
Thanks.
Jackie Hill Perry (1:50)
Yeah, when I saw you, I said, okay.
Toni Collier (1:51)
I almost wore a hat, but I just got my hair done.
Jackie Hill Perry (1:54)
That would have been interesting. You only want to know what they say. Yeah, you would have to do it neutral.
Preston Perry (2:00)
You say pant.
Toni Collier (2:01)
Well, it's only one pair. I don't know what you're saying. You say pants?
Preston Perry (2:05)
Usually people say pants.
Toni Collier (2:06)
Pairs of pants.
Preston Perry (2:07)
I know, I get it.
Toni Collier (2:08)
This is a pant.
Preston Perry (2:08)
I actually think that might be correct, but it's just weird. I've never seen it.
Toni Collier (2:12)
Pants. It's because black people put an S on anything.
Jackie Hill Perry (2:14)
Yes, we do. JCPenney's.
Publix.
Preston Perry (2:18)
You say pants.
Toni Collier (2:20)
Pants. Pants does feel better.
Jackie Hill Perry (2:24)
Pant? It sounds like Bridgerton or something. No, I'm nervous.
Toni Collier (2:29)
I just wanted to be accurate.
Preston Perry (2:30)
It's okay.
Toni Collier (2:33)
A pant.
Jackie Hill Perry (2:34)
Toni, for those who don't know you, introduce yourself. I think you would be better at that than we would.
Toni Collier (2:39)
Okay, this is good.
I don't really know what to say about myself. I feel like the most important thing is, I'm a single mom in ministry. I got two kids and two baby daddies.
Jackie Hill Perry (2:49)
Okay.
Toni Collier (2:50)
So let's just start there. Married, divorced twice. Let's just go deeper, go home.
Jackie Hill Perry (2:54)
Okay.
Toni Collier (2:54)
You know?
I would say when people look for me or look for guidance for me, they're trying their best to still have hope when there's a lot of pain involved. Because I think that I've at least tried to have a lot of hope with a lot of pain involved in my life. So lots of trauma, but I'm just holding on. I love Jesus.
Jackie Hill Perry (3:17)
Yeah.
Toni Collier (3:17)
And I feel like I'm smart.
Jackie Hill Perry (3:19)
You are.
Toni Collier (3:19)
And I'm a little crazy.
Jackie Hill Perry (3:22)
You are.
Toni Collier (3:22)
And there may be ADHD involved.
Jackie Hill Perry (3:24)
There is. No, it is. It's not a maybe. It is.
Toni Collier (3:28)
It's so bad, I don't want to take the medicine. I just want to see. What's God going to do? What's he going to do?
I write books, podcasts, all the things, but it takes me a long time to do things because of ADHD.
Jackie Hill Perry (3:38)
Right.
Toni Collier (3:39)
And that's it.
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