Monday Gunday

**Nigel** (0:00)
So, Guy Relford, joining us live. Thank you for coming up here to Leo's in Noblesville at 146th Street and Promise Road. How are you?

**Guy Relford** (0:09)
I'm great, and thanks as always to our sponsor for Monday Gun Day. That's Premier Arms in Brownsburg with the largest selection of new used and historic firearms in the Midwest, and PA Jewelers located in the farmhouse right out front. Check them out at 3754 South Green Street in Brownsburg or premierarms.com.

**Jason** (0:26)
Hey, before we get into some Supreme Court decisions, I want to add to our two-way related and non-two-way related. You went to a charity event over the weekend.

**Guy Relford** (0:36)
I did.

**Jason** (0:36)
Put on by our pal Jerry Lopez. Oh, I saw that. How did that go?

**Guy Relford** (0:40)
Man, it was awesome. And I really appreciated the invitation from Jerry. He was such a great guy and does a great job on the radio, too. But no, it was Building a Refuge is what it was called. And this is a fundraiser for men's mental health. And this one was, I think, very focused on veterans. In fact, the event was a motorcycle ride, of course, near and near to my heart. A lot of Harley's out there. But it was a motorcycle ride. It started and ended at the VFW in Carmel, where I'm a proud auxiliary member of that VFW.
And then they invited me to come by after I taught a class. I taught my Essentials of Indiana Gun Law class. But after that, I ripped up there and got to speak to that group. Great bunch of Americans that are trying to support men's mental health.
And that's near and dear to my heart. And I represent a lot of veterans and police officers and others who have PTSD and other issues on the mental health side and work with them to make sure we're preserving their constitutional rights. But in the meantime, man, treatment and available treatment and resources and communication, all those issues are so key to help those people with mental health issues, particularly our veterans, which this was focused on. And so God bless these guys, man. Jerry Lopez and all the folks at Building a Refuge.
Great event and they reached a bunch of money and it's for an incredibly good cause.

**Jason** (2:00)
All right, so let's get into some Supreme Court stuff. Now, tomorrow, shaping up to be a huge day. I believe it's the final day of decisions in this period from the Supreme Court. Tomorrow, we're anticipating to get some sort of resolution on birthright citizenship, transgender athletes, men competing against women, among other things. But already we've got a key two-way decision and it involves the state of Hawaii.

**Nigel** (2:25)
Yeah, we were texting about this last week. We were.

**Guy Relford** (2:29)
This came down Thursday. So this is our second two-way decision in a week. We had one a week ago Thursday, we had one last week and on Thursday. And this is the Walford versus Lopez decision. And what this one says is that Hawaii's rule and Hawaii state law said that, you know what, if you're carrying a gun, you cannot go into any private property, even if it's open to the public, a business, that was the focus. You cannot go into a business unless you have prior permission from the owner to carry a gun there.

**Jason** (3:01)
So even if you've got like your constitutional carry permit, let's just call it that in Hawaii, exactly. You would have to get another permit for any business you would want to go in with your concealed carry.

**Guy Relford** (3:13)
Prior permission. And what this is, this is Hawaii throwing a tantrum over the fact that a few years ago in twenty twenty two, the Supreme Court, the Bruin decision, and you guys and I have talked about that many times, it said states have to issue licenses and it can't be a discretionary may issue system where the state gets to scratch its beard and say, hmm, you have a sufficient need to carry a gun, but you don't.
And so when the Supreme Court said, no, you have to issue licenses and they can't be merely discretionary, then all of a sudden the state says, okay, state of Hawaii said we're going to issue licenses, which they never did before then. I mean, it was almost impossible to get a license, as the Supreme Court said.
Well, we're going to issue licenses, but we're going to make it damn impossible to carry anywhere legally. That's when they said you can't even, you can't go on any government business or property. You can't go into any private business, even if it's open to the public without prior permission. So this is Hawaii's temper tantrum over being ordered to issue licenses to carry. Supreme Court said, oh, hell no. Considering the history and tradition of Second Amendment leadership or Second Amendment regulation in this country, that's completely inconsistent and that was unconstitutional. And it struck down the whole statute.