Skip to content
Meta Employee Meltdown : LinkedIn Goes Loco : 32-Hour Work Week Law? artwork

Meta Employee Meltdown : LinkedIn Goes Loco : 32-Hour Work Week Law?

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

September 18, 2026

This week on Chad and Cheese, Joel and JT unpack four stories that actually matter if you hire, manage, or look for work. Buckle-up buttercup!

Speakers Joel Cheesman, JT O'Donnell

TopicsCareersBusinessTechnology

Joel Cheesman (0:00)

All right, who's ready for a cold hard fact? Indeed's pricing model, and all programmatic job advertising, is based on driving volume, not outcomes. Job boards get paid on clicks and applies, not hires. Their incentive is to send you more volume. That's what happens with volume-based pricing models, and all that volume creates exactly what you'd expect. Mass inefficiency, mountains of unqualified applicants, and wasted spend. Meanwhile, TA teams know their career site is already their best source of quality applicants who get hired. TA teams invest in their career sites and employer brand, but the outdated technology makes it too hard for people to connect and apply. Dalia fixes that. Millions of job seekers use Dalia every month to seamlessly connect to employer career sites and apply to jobs using their universal candidate profile. No re-entering information over and over. It's like the shop pay button, but for jobs. It's secure, it integrates directly into your ATS, and it works instantly on any career site. Employers using Dalia can double their conversion of career site visitors into qualified applicants and hires. That's how you start cutting your dependence on Indeed. Learn more at dalia.co. That's D-A-L-I-A dot C-O.

SPEAKER_2 (1:15)

A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch.

Joel Cheesman (1:21)

Have you done the pickleball thing yet? That's apparently the next.

JT O'Donnell (1:24)

I know two different people that tour ACLs playing pickleball. I'm not a fan right now. I don't need to be ripping anything.

Joel Cheesman (1:31)

Yeah, you and Chad. Oh, yeah. Chad's a paddle guy. Pickleball is for punks and suckers.

I don't know about you, but I'm having a white wine.

SPEAKER_2 (1:41)

White wine?

SPEAKER_5 (1:43)

You want a white wine?

SPEAKER_2 (1:44)

I think we should all have a white wine.

SPEAKER_6 (1:46)

I'll have a white wine.

SPEAKER_4 (1:47)

You have a white wine?

SPEAKER_2 (1:48)

White wine. Ah, white wine.

SPEAKER_6 (1:54)

Hide your kids, lock the doors. You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark. Buckle up, boys and girls. It's time for The Chad & Cheese Podcast.

Joel Cheesman (2:17)

Oh yeah, I'm taking it back to the old school because I'm an old fool who's so cool. Hey boys and girls, it's The Chad & Cheese Podcast. I'm your co-host, Joel. The AIpocalypse is a hoax Cheesman.

JT O'Donnell (2:30)

And I'm JT, Savvy B and Summercorn O'Donnell.

Joel Cheesman (2:35)

And on this episode of HR's most dangerous podcast, Meta melts down, LinkedIn goes loco, and who'd you rather?

Let's do it. It's commercial time.

SPEAKER_4 (2:46)

Okay, face it. Recruitment marketing is broken.

70% of paid recruitment media goes wasted. 93% of candidates bounce off your job ads before they even apply for the job. And this is not a talent problem. No, it's not a data problem. It's a targeting and experience problem. The beauty of this is companies aren't trying to fix it. They're transforming it.

Joel Cheesman (3:10)

Hell yeah!

SPEAKER_4 (3:11)

With up to 80% more high quality applicants, 40% reduction in spend, and 50% less recruiter time spent, they're realizing what's possible with recruitment marketing that actually works. So how'd they do it? Well, they chose Jovio, an AI led high performance recruitment marketing platform built to eliminate waste and drive more results. With Jovio's AI agents, your job ads reach the right candidates while your career site, conversational AI and application process drive better candidates and conversions. What about those qualified candidates you've already bought and paid for and they're wasting away in your ATS? Well, Jovio also re-engages them. Want to learn more about Jovio? Cool. Just go to jovio.com. That's joveo.com.

It's showtime.

Joel Cheesman (4:05)

Yes. JT, it's been a minute. How are you?

JT O'Donnell (4:08)

I know. What's up? Good summer.

Obviously, if you drink a white wine.

Joel Cheesman (4:13)

Well, I just...

Yes. When I hear that, I think about you. I think about you like in New England on a lakefront somewhere enjoying a white wine. White wine.

JT O'Donnell (4:25)

It's just... White wine.

Joel Cheesman (4:26)

That makes me laugh every time I see it. Yeah, summer's good. I've updated folks on the show, but did a little Europe thing, enjoyed the backyard and reading barons and listening to Beastie Boys most of the summer, living the old dad, middle-aged guy life.

How's your summer? Good.

JT O'Donnell (4:49)

It was short, it was busy.

Improved the golf game, a lot of outdoor time, but it's been busy. Work's been busy, busier than I expected.

Joel Cheesman (4:56)

Say more about that. Are you taking lessons? Are you doing some augmented practice at Dix? No.

62 more minutes of transcript below

Thousands of transcripts fetched by people building searchable podcast archives

Fetch the whole transcript

The demo key returns a sample episode in full, no card needed:

request
curl -H "x-api-key: pt_demo" \
  https://spoken.md/transcripts/1000651996090

Markdown with the speakers named, for your notes, your knowledge base, or anything that makes HTTP calls.

From $0.10 per transcript. No subscription. Credits never expire. Prices exclude VAT, added at checkout for EU customers. Not what you expected? Email us within 14 days with 20 or fewer credits used and we refund the pack in full.

Using your own key:

request
curl -H "x-api-key: YOUR_KEY" \
  https://spoken.md/transcripts/1000790466772