Matthew Farwell Went Kind and Asked Sandra Birchmore For WHAT?!

SPEAKER_1 (0:01)

This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke.

Tony Brueski (0:07)

Another case, opening statements, just taking place the other day. Gets back into court on Tuesday. Sandra Birchmore, the trial of Matthew Farwell.

Sandra was just 23 years old and pregnant when she was found dead in her apartment in Canton, a ligature wrapped around her neck for three and a half long years. Massachusetts authorities labeled it a self-exit. Then, in a federal courtroom free of cameras, prosecutors made a bombshell assertion. A Stoughton Police detective strangled her, staged the scene and was protected by an investigation that turned a blind eye. You guys have been following this tragedy for years. We've been talking about it for years and I know you guys got a lot of questions. Today, we're going to dive into some of those questions about this case specifically and just dig in as this trial gets underway. Robin Dreeke, retired FBI special agent, chief of the counterintelligence behavioral analysis program and master class instructor with us. Let's go to this one. Our first question on this and feel free to drop them into the comment section if you're with us live. Can the defense explain the phone going permanently silent three minutes before Farwell walked out?

Is that kind of the end all be all of this case at the end of the day? That little piece of evidence, her phone, all activity ends three minutes before Farwell walks out with this mask up and hoodie on, a mask that he never wears because he was very anti-masked during COVID.

Robin Dreeke (1:48)

I think it's a part of the whole. I still think that the semen on her underwear is a really big one at the same time.

Tony Brueski (1:54)

But there's no allegation here of, it's not an essay allegation. That would just show that they had sex at the least because there's no allegation of essay or anything here. So if that's there, that shows, well, if he was going to, that could work in the defense's part too, Robin. Let me play devil's advocate. See, why would he do that?

He wouldn't murder someone that he just had s with. Said no one ever.

Robin Dreeke (2:25)

So again, I think it's a...

Tony Brueski (2:27)

No one does that.

Robin Dreeke (2:28)

Unless they watch the show. It's a small part. Again, I think it's a part of the whole. I think it's a critical piece of evidence, but I also think it goes to the evidence more so of the strangulation method and the breaking of that one bone that doesn't happen by self-hanging.

SPEAKER_1 (2:44)

Yeah, the hyoid bone, yeah.

Robin Dreeke (2:45)

Yeah, that just doesn't happen. I mean, there's so many incongruent data points. Again, it keeps pointing back. Anytime it looks like someone's really stupid at killing someone, you're probably right, because stupid people are the ones who kill people, not smart people, because smart people don't have to because they don't have unhealthy, crazy, stupid relationships like this guy did.

So, again, innocence will prove him guilty, but I think that's a huge part of it, because he's not smart enough to do anything else.

Tony Brueski (3:13)

Yeah, I mean, when you look at the intelligence level here, I did a monologue on it this morning, and the guy's thought process to get out of his conundrum, and let me just back up in case you're new to this case. His conundrum is this. He's been having, as his defense attorney will call it, an affair, quote unquote, with a woman now 23, since she was 15

I don't call that an affair from the age of 15 I call that essay. I call that statue. There's a lot of things you can call it, and there's a lot of things you can call him too. Highly illegal piece of shit probably should be executed. Many countries would kill you for this. Maybe we should start. But you know, he's protecting and serving.

Robin Dreeke (4:03)

Add him to the firing squad.

Tony Brueski (4:04)

At firing, bring him in. And service revolver on a Tuesday.

He's part of the Explorer Police Team. He's a mentor. He's grooming or teaching her, as the defense will say, till she's 18 And then from 18 on up, it's hot potato. They're passing her around. Him and many other officers, three to which they've caught, of which they're no longer officers.

Robin Dreeke (4:29)

Including his twin brother.

Tony Brueski (4:31)

And the twin brother. And again, that's some thing, just who got caught. I'm venturing to guess there was probably more. And then his conundrum becomes this.

He finds out his wife is pregnant. Oh yeah, he's pregnant, has children. His wife finds out she's pregnant, I think, with their third child.