Male Roles, Obligations and Options for Building a Fulfilling Life | Scott Galloway

**Scott Galloway** (0:00)
And this is the goal. The goal is no, because you're going to get no's.
And then I'm going to call you after you've made the approach. You're going to text me, I did an approach. Did you get a no? Yeah, I got a no. That's exactly the point. That's the goal. Because everyone you admire, everyone you think has killed it, the only thing I can guarantee you is there were a ton of no's. And getting to one of the top ten podcasts in the world, getting to a person as a partner who's higher character and hotter than you, getting to make more money than you would have ever guessed that person would have made, the only thing that got them there was the willingness and the endurance to anticipate no.

**Andrew Huberman** (0:36)
Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Scott Galloway. Scott Galloway is a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business and one of the world's leading public educators on intelligent life design, including finances, relationships, and as today's conversation also covers on the sociopolitical landscape. Today, we mainly talk about masculinity and what men, young and old and everything in between, are facing today in terms of their roles to take in work, in relationships and their health. And today, we don't just review the data. You'll hear statistics. So Scott is very grounded in quantitative data, which is important, but he also shares several clear actionable steps that you can take daily to ensure that you're making progress in work and relationships and finances. We also get into a bit of debate or more about things like alcohol, the benevolence or lack thereof of big tech and social media. And we talk a lot about the male-female dynamics in terms of the consequences of single-bomb homes and divorce, but just generally male-female dynamics. So while today's episode does include a lot of exploration of different topics that frankly I didn't anticipate, it's also very proactive. Scott delineates the things that you can do and frankly should do each day. These aren't just lists or hacks, but effective tools that come from knowledge, data, his deep thinking, and that reflect the landscape we are in now.
I'm very grateful that Scott took the time for this conversation. You'll see that we agree on many things. We disagree on several. He's a very deep thinker, extremely smart, obviously. He also cares about people. That comes through over and over again.
And he's extremely generous today on your behalf with indeed tough love knowledge. Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford. It is however, part of my desire and effort to bring zero cost to consumer information about science and science related tools to the general public. In keeping with that theme, today's episode does include sponsors. And now for my discussion with Scott Galloway. Scott Galloway, welcome.

**Scott Galloway** (2:48)
Thanks, man. It's good to see you. Actually, I was nervous driving over here.
I like you and respect you. I was trying to figure out why I was nervous. I really want to do well today. And the last time I had this feeling was when I was going to do Rich Rolls podcast. I really like you. I really like and respect Rich. And I remember thinking I had that same feeling. I wanted to do well. Anyways, good to be here.

**Andrew Huberman** (3:10)
Oh, man. Great to have you here. It's funny you say that because I was coming here and I was thinking, Yeah, look up to Scott. I respect him. And we've had one conversation prior to this that ended up being quite extended conversation. And I told Rob right before coming in here, our producer, I'm super fired up to learn from you and just sit down and chat with you. So I actually am going to do something differently this podcast than any other podcast, which is the question I'm about to ask or the kind of thing I'm about to pose, I normally would do off camera. I'm gonna do it on camera, which is coming in here today, it occurred to me that we, as a, how old are you?

**Scott Galloway** (3:48)
I'm gonna be 62 in November.

**Andrew Huberman** (3:49)
62, you look great, man.

**Scott Galloway** (3:51)
Thanks, man.

**Andrew Huberman** (3:51)
I can share what you're doing, if we get the time, fitness-wise. I'm 50, and the risk we run into, I realize, is that when I was 16, 20, 30, et cetera, yes, I wanted knowledge, maybe even wisdom from elders, but I also knew with certainty that they didn't understand a thing about what it was like to be that age at that time. So I realized that as much as we might think we know, we don't know what it's like to be 16, 25, 30, 40-year-old men, and we'll also talk about women today, but probably mostly men, in 2026 And so how do we reconcile that in a discussion like this? I just wanted to ask you, how do you think about that? Because so much of your content and what you're teaching out there is about timeless truths, but there's also a lot of things that are happening now, not just pain points, but maybe opportunities that... I don't know, how do you think about...