MAJOR SHIFT: Will Trump Split From Israel? Israeli Journalist on the Critical Situation in Iran.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
Gideon, thank you so much for joining us. For Americans who are distracted by what's happening in Iran and with the US economy and by so many other things, can you bring us up to date on what is happening right now in Gaza, the West Bank, Judea Samaria and Lebanon?

**Gideon Levy** (0:22)
It's a war with some interruptions. It's a roller coaster. You go to sleep in Tel Aviv with a ceasefire. You wake up in the morning with ballistic missiles over your head.
Gaza is bleeding and totally forgotten. I guess we'll have the opportunity to talk more about Gaza, which is very dear to my heart. In Lebanon, Israelis fighting for nothing without any purpose.
People are killed, old villages are being destroyed systematically, very similar to Gaza. Israeli soldiers are killed on a daily basis almost. And the whole thing seems like an ongoing war without any purpose, without any justification and above all, without any endgains, any real goals. What will stop it except of this desire to fight and to fight and to fight? And to kill?

**Tucker Carlson** (1:23)
What is the point? You say there's no point to it, but it clearly is part of a larger strategy, I would assume.
I mean, it's got to be. What do you think the bigger point of this is?

**Gideon Levy** (1:39)
So, first of all, Israel was brought to believe that it is doomed to live on its sword. That the only language that we can talk in this region, as we are the villa in the jungle, so to say, the only language that we can use here is the language of military power and as brutal as possible. This was before Netanyahu. Many things, by the way, were before Netanyahu. Netanyahu intensified those things. And today, the only language clearly that Israel is speaking is the language of war. Anything can be solved only by war. Nothing can be solved by any other way, like diplomacy, compromises, etc.
And here we are, involved in so many fronts. You know, Tucker, there are around six million people in the Middle East who were experts from the homes, who are uprooted. Part of them will never see their homes again.
Two million in Gaza, one million in Lebanon. For a while, there were also two million Iran. Now, not anymore. But think about this.
All of them because of wars of choice.
All of them because of a very violent policy of Israel, which might here and there have the justification, like after the 7th of October, another thing that I think we'll get into. But the proportion, the scale, and where are we aiming? Where are we aiming, for God's sake? Is Israel today a better place? Is it a safer place than 2023? Is it more popular in the world? What did we gain out of all those scores? And unfortunately, Tucker, those questions are hardly being discussed in Israel. And this in many ways depresses me almost more than the wars itself. The fact that a whole people, 10 million people, very intelligent, very ideological and with very clear views, go to all those wars blindly and automatically without asking ourselves why, what for, what do we gain? Put aside the moral side. Let's say, morality is for, you know, spoil the Gideon Levy's or leftist self-hating Jews. Practically, are we living in a better place? The answer is unfortunately not. You can add to it, obviously, Tucker, all the personal motivations of Benjamin Netanyahu, which in my view are not exclusive, they are not the only. There are those among my friends who think that he does everything only for his career, only in order to stay in power. I give him more credit because I think he has an ideology, a very dangerous one, but he has an ideology which motivates him as well. But no doubt that those last wars, serve first of all his personal interest. He has a try and he's doing very badly in the polls. Here he comes with another war, war of the wars. I want to ask, why did we have this need to bomb in Beirut two days ago? What did we achieve by this bombardment?
Israel achieved anything out of it except of provoking Iran, and then we got this sleepless night last night with dozens of ballistic missiles over our heads. No one talks about it, no one asks it, and it's quite impressive to live in a society in which the main issues are not discussed. We discuss the wife of the Prime Minister, we discuss all kinds of gossips. We don't touch the core of the issue.

**Tucker Carlson** (5:42)
I live in a country very much like that, so I know the feeling well.