Lindsay Clancy's Mother Testifies: "She Told Us She Had Thoughts of Harming the Kids"

**Tony Brueski** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.
Hi, good afternoon. I'm going to ask you if you can keep your voice up and speak into that microphone, okay?

**Margaret Hamp** (0:20)
Thank you.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:21)
I'm just trying to do the same thing, so make sure that all the jurors way down here even can hear you, okay? Tell us your name.

**Margaret Hamp** (0:28)
Margaret Hamp.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:29)
And what time do you live in?

**Margaret Hamp** (0:32)
Stoneham.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:33)
And what do you do for work?

**Margaret Hamp** (0:35)
I'm a labor and delivery nurse.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:36)
Where?

**Margaret Hamp** (0:37)
At Mass General.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:38)
And how long have you been working as a labor and delivery nurse?

**Margaret Hamp** (0:43)
I started on our labor and delivery unit in 2012

**SPEAKER_3** (0:48)
Okay. So, what, 24 years? No.

**Margaret Hamp** (0:51)
I started for the obstetrics department in 2006

**SPEAKER_3** (0:55)
Okay. So, 20 years you've been working at the Mass General between obstetrics and labor and delivery, right?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:01)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:02)
Do you know Lindsay?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:04)
I do.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:04)
How do you know her?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:06)
I was working on the labor floor when Lindsay first started with us.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:10)
So, this would be the labor and delivery floor and she started as a nurse, correct?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:16)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:16)
So, you had already been working there?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:18)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:19)
And she was about what, 24 years old?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:22)
Roughly.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:23)
And came in as a young woman as a nurse, correct?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:26)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:26)
Can you tell us, to your, let me ask you this, how many years did you work with her?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:33)
She started, I believe, in 2015 and I worked until 2002 when she went out with Callan.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:41)
About seven years or thereabouts. Did you know that she had a child, Cora?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:48)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:49)
And did you know that she had a child, Dawson?

**Margaret Hamp** (1:51)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:52)
And ultimately that she had a child, a baby that was born very, very recently, Callan.
In the years that you were working with her, were you able to observe, I mean, did she like being a nurse? Did she want to work or was she a good nurse?

**Margaret Hamp** (2:11)
Your opinion?
Lindsay loved being a nurse. She was really good at being a nurse. She was compassionate. She was kind. She was a patient advocate. She was the type of nurse that you wanted taking care of you or your loved one when you walked onto our unit.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:33)
Did you observe, for example, that on occasion when she would be involved with the delivery of a baby, that she would become emotional?

**Margaret Hamp** (2:43)
Lindsay was often emotional during birth of complete strangers. She would cry and she would just say that was so beautiful.
You can just tell that she really loved being in that setting.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:00)
Over those years, right up until the time of Callan being born, fair to say that you stayed friendly with her?

**Margaret Hamp** (3:07)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:08)
And you're still friendly with her?

**Margaret Hamp** (3:10)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:12)
Can you tell us, did you observe during the time you worked with her, how she emoted or felt about her children, all three of them?

**Margaret Hamp** (3:24)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:25)
Tell us anything that you recall.

**Margaret Hamp** (3:27)
So, Lindsay and I worked the night shift together. And often on the night shift, you get to have an opportunity to really get to know your coworkers and celebrate things that are happening in their lives or support them with things that are not going so well. Lindsay asked a lot of questions of her coworkers about parenting. Simple things is she would poll the nursing staff about monogrammed lunchboxes right down to sleeping habits.
What questions do you ask a daycare provider to make sure that you're in the right place? She was often asking her coworkers child care, parenting tips.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:11)
When she had Callan, after Callan was born in the spring, late spring of 22, did you see her after the birth of Callan?

**Margaret Hamp** (4:24)
I did not see her after the birth of Callan.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:26)
Were you aware that she had taken a leave of absence from Mass General?

**Margaret Hamp** (4:30)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:30)
Did you stay in touch with her by phone or text?

**Margaret Hamp** (4:34)