Lindsay Clancy's Discharge Papers Said She Wasn't a Threat — Then What Happened?

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kimberlee Hardy** (0:11)
End of the hallway, that's the playroom.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:13)
Now, is there kind of a rule there at the Kingsbury Club when you drop your child at the playroom that you have to remain on property?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (0:21)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:22)
And other than the gym and the tennis courts, what other facilities are on property?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (0:27)
We have a pool and a spa.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:31)
I'm going to draw your attention to, or sorry, one more background question.
You mentioned that there's other programs that the Kingsbury Club runs for children, right? And you as the Child Service Director were involved in that?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (0:44)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:45)
Is there a particular age that the children can start participating in the other group activities?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (0:51)
Camp starts at five and at that point too, we had tennis that started at five. But swim lessons can start from babies.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:00)
Okay. And so is there an age limit to the kids that could be in the playroom at any given point?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (1:07)
Typically, we only take three months old up to like age 10 Normally, they don't want to be in there.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:17)
And then you said that the time limit is two hours per day? Yes.
Is there a schedule or sign up in advance? Or was there one in 2023 if a member wanted to bring their kid into the playroom?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (1:30)
Yes. But in 2023, parents normally didn't sign up in advance because we were just getting back from COVID and we had low numbers. So we just took walk-ins.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:41)
And it was a first come first serve?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (1:42)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:44)
Are you familiar? Were you familiar with Cora and Dawson Clancy?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (1:47)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:49)
Did you often see them in the playroom at the Kingsbury Club?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (1:52)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:53)
And who would be the party that would drop them off and pick them up?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (1:59)
Mainly Patrick.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:01)
Did you or were you present in the playroom when Lindsay Clancy at times dropped them off and picked them up?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (2:07)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:09)
And when Lindsay Clancy came to drop off and pick up the children, did you interact with her?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (2:15)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:16)
And how would you describe her demeanor during those interactions?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (2:20)
She just seemed very shy.

**SPEAKER_4** (2:22)
Maybe just to focus on the time frame.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:25)
That's fair.
I'm going to draw your attention to maybe the September of 2022 to January of 2023, that fall into the winter. Did you see Lindsay Clancy drop the kids off at the playroom during that time period?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (2:38)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:38)
And you had the occasion to interact with her? And during that time period in the fall to winter, what were your observations of her demeanor?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (2:46)
She just seemed shy.
She was just, we'd come in and pick up. I would usually try to start a conversation with her, but nothing else. Yeah, just shy.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:58)
Okay. And it was only Cora and Dawson that came to the playroom?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:02)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:02)
Were you aware that there was a third child?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:05)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:06)
And do you know of any reason why that child didn't come with the other two?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:11)
I asked a couple of times because I said that he can come in because he's over three months. And the answer was because they were scared of sickness.

**Alia Goodheart** (3:23)
I'm sorry, was the objection?

**SPEAKER_4** (3:25)
The answer was.

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:26)
You could just find out.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:28)
So this conversation that you had when you said that you asked about Callan, was that with Lindsay or Patrick?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:35)
Lindsay.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:36)
Okay. And so what did she tell you about Callan?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:39)
She was nervous about colds because it was cold and flu season. Okay.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:44)
And so obviously, when Cora and Dawson came there, would it be other children in the playroom as well, right?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (3:49)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:51)
When Lindsay would drop the kids off during this time period between September of 2022 and January of 2023, did she ever tell you what her plans were at the club?

**Kimberlee Hardy** (4:01)
No.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:02)
Did you see or make observations of how she was dressed when she dropped them off?