Lindsay Clancy Trial: Toxicology Witnesses Reveal What Was Detected in Her Blood

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:20)
All right.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:21)
Are you spucking it?

**SPEAKER_3** (0:22)
The Commonwealth would call Johnathon O'Loughlin.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:55)
Good afternoon, sir.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:56)
Up right here, reach your right.

**SPEAKER_4** (0:58)
Good afternoon, sir. Good morning, sir.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:13)
Good morning.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:15)
Yes, counsel. Thank you.
Good afternoon. Could you please tell the jury your first and last name?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:20)
Yes, my first name is Johnathon. My last name is O'Loughlin.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:23)
And can you spell your last name for the record?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:25)
O-L-O-U-G-H-L-I-N.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:29)
And what do you do for work?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:31)
I'm a trooper with the Massachusetts State Police.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:33)
How long have you been a trooper?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:35)
Hired in October of 2011

**SPEAKER_3** (1:37)
And what is your current assignment with the State Police?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:40)
Right now, I work in the Division of Field Services and I'm assigned to the State Police Logan Airport barracks.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:46)
Going back to January of 2023, what was your assignment with the State Police then?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:52)
I worked in Crime Scene Services Section.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:54)
And how long had you worked in Crime Scene Services?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (1:58)
I started in February of 2020

**SPEAKER_3** (2:02)
And when did you move to your new assignment?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (2:06)
I left Crime Scene in October of 2023

**SPEAKER_3** (2:10)
So do you undergo specific training as a trooper to work in that Crime Scene Services Section?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (2:17)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:18)
And what kind of training do you get?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (2:19)
So we did an internal training in the lab, the Crime Lab.
A lot of it was, the beginning was reading about Crime Scene processing and fingerprinting. And then it would move on to doing mock cases, following other Crime Scene Services members around to observe and then it went on to do a competency test, where you would process a mock scene, develop fingerprints and analyze them. It kind of pulled it all together. And then that would go on to a quality assurance program within the lab and they would determine if you were qualified to be on call.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:53)
And what other, what things do you do as a Crime Scene Services Trooper? What are your responsibilities?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (3:00)
We respond to all different types of Crime Scenes. At every single Crime Scene, the main thing you do at every scene, no matter what it is, is document the scene with photographs. Depending on the type of scene you're at, you may also document the scene with video.
You may also sketch the scene by hand.
Then also you may collect items of evidence to be processed later, or you may even process items at the scene. What you're processing for is fingerprints. You try to develop fingerprints, if there are any. You can do fingerprint analysis and try to determine whose fingerprints are on the items of evidence.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:36)
And that can be done at a Crime Scene, but it also can be done back at the Crime Laboratory, correct?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (3:41)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:42)
And depending on the item and where it was located.

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (3:44)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:46)
As far as your response to particular scenes, do you often go out to Crime Scenes in tandem with or with a Crime Scene Response Unit investigator? A forensic scientist?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (3:59)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:00)
And you indicated that one of the first things and one of the main things you do is document scenes. Is it best practice to be kind of that first in after a scene is secured to document the scene as it appeared?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (4:12)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:13)
And how do you do that?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (4:15)
So when you respond to a scene, usually the town that you respond to, the local police department will secure the scene, which means they don't allow anyone in to disrupt the scene until you get there. Then you start with photographing the exterior of the residence, and then you walk in and just document the entire scene room by room as it is.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:36)
And after that's done, do you go back through and highlight or identify in any way particular things that may be relevant to the investigation of the crime scene you're responding to?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (4:48)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:49)
And how do you identify in the documentation items that might have some relevance or evidentiary value?

**Johnathon O'Loughlin** (4:57)
So some items might be obvious that they're involved in the crime that are still there, those you want to document further. And sometimes a detective unit or a member will ask you to document another piece of evidence that they would like collected or they would like further looked at.