Lindsay Clancy Trial: Reddington Rips Into Prosecution's Expert on Cross

**Tony Brueski** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:15)
Doctor, I'd just like to ask you about one of the things you just said to this jury that apparently stood out in your mind, and that would be the dichotomy of the difference between two statements that Lindsay made, one being, I believe, in the hospital, and you felt that there was a subsequent statement that was made by her that contradicted that, but was different from that, and that would be after three days of you and Mac testing her. Is that right?
Can you just say, is it right or wrong?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (1:04)
Mr. Reddington, it's not quite right.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:08)
Okay. Why don't we do it this way? You were told this year that Lindsay made a statement to you at the conclusion of the three days that you and Mac were questioning her and testing her and interviewing her. Is that clear?
Yes or no?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (1:28)
What I would say is...

**Kevin Reddington** (1:29)
Yes or no?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (1:33)
No.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:35)
Did you tell this jury, in addition, that Lindsay made a different statement when she was in the hospital? Yes or no?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (1:48)
What I said to the jury is...

**Kevin Reddington** (1:49)
I'm asking you, sir, did you make that statement to this jury?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (1:57)
What I intended to say...

**Kevin Reddington** (1:58)
No, not what you intended. Can you answer my question? Yes or no?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (2:03)
No.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:06)
Now, is Dr. Heilbrun aware of the concept of post-intensive care syndrome?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (2:18)
Post-intensive care syndrome.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:21)
Yeah, PICS. It's called PICS.

**Kirk Heilbrun** (2:24)
No, I have not heard of post-intensive care syndrome.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:26)
Is Dr. Heilbrun aware of when a person is coming out of major surgery and has been subject to anesthesia, that it is known that they have delusions, hallucinations, make statements that don't make sense? Are you aware of that, sir?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (2:47)
Yes, I'm aware of that.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:48)
And is that from your personal experience, professional experience, because you didn't know what PICS was when they asked you, right?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (2:54)
Yes, it's not from my personal experience or my professional experience.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:01)
You received a notification to evaluate Lindsay Clancy on this criminal case from the District Attorney's Office, right?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (3:15)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:17)
And do you recall when you received that notification?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (3:25)
It would have been sometime before January of 2025, because that's when I started reviewing the documents that they provided.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:36)
Okay, so January of 25, January of 26, and then in the spring of 26, you go to the Tewkesbury Hospital with Mac and you interview Lindsay, right?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (3:51)
Correct.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:52)
So how many months is it from the time that you were appointed or requested or asked to help the DA's office to the time you saw Lindsay? How much time passed?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (4:03)
Probably about 18 months.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:05)
About a year and a half. And how much time passed from that point, going backwards, to January of 23?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (4:18)
I'm not sure what the question is.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:20)
Okay, January of 23, you add a year, that's January of 24, right?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (4:24)
Yeah.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:24)
That's one year.

**Kirk Heilbrun** (4:25)
Yeah.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:26)
January of 24, you add a year, up to January of 25, that's two years, right?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (4:30)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:31)
January of 25, up to when you and Mac finally go out to Tookesbury to interview this young lady, is how many months?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (4:39)
Well, it would be about three years.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:42)
Okay. And are you telling this jury that it's good, using the term loosely, medical practice, to interview a young lady like this three years after the event, for purposes of helping the DA, in your opinion?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (5:00)
Do you mean in the context of a forensic mental health assessment, sir?

**Kevin Reddington** (5:03)
That's the only reason you're here, right?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (5:06)
Yes, it is.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:06)
Okay. So, can you answer my question?

**Kirk Heilbrun** (5:10)
The answer to your question is, the sooner that I'm able to evaluate somebody after their involvement in the alleged offense, the more closely I can come to using that current state information as something that is relevant to their mental state at the time of the offense.