Lindsay Clancy Trial: Reddington Grills Prosecution's Own Expert Witness

**Tony Brueski** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:15)
You're on the phone. Good afternoon, Patrick. Good evening. Good evening for the District Attorney. Could I continue? Sure. Thank you.
Leaving aside peer review article in the article written by Dr. Philip Resnick, sir, for a minute. Papers that you published and you have in your resume, it says peer reviewed. So that's just what we were talking about, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (0:37)
That's right.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:38)
All right. Using the moral situational action model of extremist violence to assess fluctuating levels of risk in women, the relevance of risk-promotive and protective factors.
What does that mean, levels of risk in women with extremist violence?

**Gregory Saathoff** (1:07)
Well, looking at risk assessment in terms of violence and what may be mitigating factors, in other words, decreasing the risk or the threat or increasing, that would be enhancing factors. But this is looking at a group in terms of research.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:31)
And it's research about women that are involved with extremist violence?

**Gregory Saathoff** (1:36)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:37)
Okay.
Assessing, it's right there. Using the moral situational action violence risk model for assessing women involved in extremist violence and empirical study. Is that a similar article?

**Gregory Saathoff** (1:53)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:55)
Operationalizing theory, a moral situational action model for extremist violence, that would include guys plus women, I guess, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (2:04)
I'm sorry.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:05)
That would include men plus women, I guess, right? Because it doesn't say women.
Suicide terrorism, performance of violence as a public plunge. You wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (2:16)
Correct.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:17)
It's another interest. Crisis leadership and military community resilience. Wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (2:24)
Correct.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:25)
Painting by numbers, capturing the pathology of sociopolitical conflict, dealing with depression amongst Palestinians. You wrote that, right? Correct. Psychological challenges of bioterror.
You wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (2:43)
Correct.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:44)
Trauma and intergenerations transmissions in Kuwait. You wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (2:50)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:51)
Recognizing borderline personality disorder in the family practice setting. You wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (2:57)
That's right.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:58)
Mortality among elderly patients discharged from a state hospital. It's one of your interests, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (3:03)
That's right.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:05)
Postpartum psychosis induced by bromo cryptine. That's the one that you told the jury about originally, that you published 40 years ago, right? Yes. Okay. Morality and the radicalization of women. What is that?
What is that? What was that all about?

**Gregory Saathoff** (3:35)
Could I be refreshed with that?

**Kevin Reddington** (3:37)
Sure. It's just, I mean, you can look at your resume if you wish. I'm just going through it. It's under B, books and chapters. This one is the first one, and it deals with radicalization of women.
A handbook, I guess, for terrorism studies. You remember that? It was only four years ago.

**Gregory Saathoff** (3:57)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:57)
Okay.
Application of big data for national security, a practitioner's guide. You wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:05)
Correct. I was one of four editors.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:09)
Crisis guide of psychoactive drugs and poisons for a crisis negotiation unit. You wrote that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:16)
That's right.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:17)
International handbook of threat assessment, right?
Yes. Protection of children during armed political conflicts, a multidisciplinary perspective, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:29)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:29)
The negotiator's guide, like when somebody is locked in a building and they're threatening to kill people or something, the negotiator's guide to psychoactive drugs, second edition. You wrote a chapter on that, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:40)
That's right.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:40)
The negotiator's guide. And it goes on and on with the negotiators and things like that, terrorism negotiators, right? Is it fair to say that's your focus?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:50)
Correct.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:52)
Well, I know you can talk about post-partum, but I'm asking you if your resume that you prepared, I imagine, well before you were hired by this DA's office, sets forth your interest, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:03)
Yes. Okay.
The characterization of negotiation as trying to stop killers is not accurate, I'm probably wrong. Comprehensive.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:19)
I apologize. You see it on TV, the negotiators and they're trying to help people that are being kidnapped.

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:25)
On a bridge, in crisis, something like that.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:29)
So, just a few more doctor panels and symposia.
You'd agree with, let's see, national security implicate. I just want to run through a quick attachment theory, mental wellness as it relates to threat management, threat assessments, corrections, psychiatry, presentations, substance abuse and misuse in prisons, perspective on providing medical support during conflict and chaos, targeted violence in the media, lessons from history, the profiler of poisons, understanding the female extremist, crisis operations, leadership, how to fool doctors by injecting chemicals into muscle to obtain opioids, a prison inmate comes clean. Did I read all those topics correctly, sir?