Lindsay Clancy Trial: Medical Examiner Reveals How Callan Died — Pediatrician Says She Saw No Warning Signs

**Tony Brueski** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hitting Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kimberly Springer** (0:11)
Good morning.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:21)
All right. Come off. Could I see Councilor Savin for a second?
Does that work better for everybody?

**SPEAKER_4** (0:46)
Okay.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:47)
All right. All right. Call them off.

**SPEAKER_4** (0:50)
Thank you, Your Honor. Good morning. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?

**Kimberly Springer** (0:55)
Yes, it's Kimberly Springer, K-I-M-B-E-R-L-E-Y-S-P-R-I-N-G-E-R.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:02)
Where do you work?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:03)
At the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Boston, Massachusetts.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:06)
And are you a medical examiner?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:08)
I am.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:09)
How long have you done that?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:10)
Twenty years.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:12)
Can you describe for us your educational background?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:14)
Yes. Four years of college at Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts. Four years of medical school at the Chicago Medical School in North Chicago, Illinois.
Four years of residency training in anatomic and clinical pathology, which is hospital-based pathology at the Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts. And one year of fellowship training in forensic pathology at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, which is where I now work.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:40)
And throughout that 20 years at the Medical Examiner's Office, have you conducted autopsies?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:45)
I have.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:46)
Approximately how many?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:47)
Over 2,000.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:49)
And have you testified in courts in the Commonwealth about these autopsies?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:52)
I have.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:54)
Can you explain to the jurors what is an autopsy?

**Kimberly Springer** (1:58)
Yes. An autopsy is a tool by which we examine the whole body in an effort to determine cause of death. And it's comprised of two parts. An external examination where we look for identifying characteristics such as height and weight, evidence of medical therapy, and evidence of trauma and disease. We may take evidence as appropriate.
And then we turn to the internal examination, making surgical-like incisions, and examining each of the internal organs, again, looking for evidence of trauma and disease, and taking additional samples for other tests such as toxicology.

**SPEAKER_4** (2:46)
Now, I want to direct your attention to January 29, 2023 Did you perform an autopsy on Callan, Patrick Clancy?

**Kimberly Springer** (2:54)
I did.

**SPEAKER_4** (2:55)
And when you performed this autopsy, did you follow the procedure you just described where you did an external examination and then an internal examination?

**Kimberly Springer** (3:03)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_4** (3:04)
And can you tell us what your initial observations were of Callan when you started the external examination?

**Kimberly Springer** (3:14)
Yes. So, Callan had some therapeutic procedures in place or therapeutic equipment in place, including a thermometer in the left nostril, a nasogastric tube in the right, an endotracheal tube down the throat, a Foley catheter draining urine, intravascular catheters in the right hand and right wrist, and an intravascular catheter in the left foot.
There was some adhesive residue possibly from other therapeutic procedures as well on his chest. And there are additional needle marks that I saw on his body. In general, should I keep going or?

**SPEAKER_4** (4:08)
What were your general observations?

**Kimberly Springer** (4:10)
In general, we measured him at 26 inches long and 24 pounds. He had general edema and those are the general.

**SPEAKER_4** (4:25)
When you were talking about therapeutic things, are those things that were done by a medical provider at a hospital or some such setting?

**Kimberly Springer** (4:33)
Correct.

**SPEAKER_4** (4:34)
What do you mean when you say he had general edema?

**Kimberly Springer** (4:38)
It means that he had general, his whole body had more fluid than one would expect in a person or an eight month old who had not been in the hospital. It's very common for someone coming from the hospital to have had been given fluids such that they have excess fluid and swelling.

**SPEAKER_4** (5:07)
Did you make observations of any injuries or trauma to Callan?

**Kimberly Springer** (5:11)
Yes.

**SPEAKER_4** (5:14)
If we could have photo 9960

**SPEAKER_3** (5:16)
Hold on. Let me just, Representative Dre, I just want to give you a kind of revisit that instruction that I talked to you last week about. If you may remember, we talked about it before they played that tape, all right? I just want to remind you that sometimes evidence is presented in a trial that creates emotional reactions.
But as jurors who have taken an oath to follow the law, I'm instructing you as I did last week, that you must separate any emotional reaction on your part from the informational value and the weight from the evidence. You must not be influenced in any way by the unpleasant nature of the photographs and testimony that you go into here this morning or throughout the whole trial as well.