Lindsay Clancy Trial: McLean Psychiatrist Admits She Never Tested Clancy for Depression

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:13)
I'd like to start off just by asking, district attorney asked you about resources that were provided to her. What were the resources?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (0:29)
We had discussed going on Psychology Today, where...

**Kevin Reddington** (0:33)
I'm sorry?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (0:35)
She was aware of the website Psychology Today.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:39)
Website?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (0:39)
Yes, she was given the name of a case manager through her insurance, who she could contact for assistance in finding new providers.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:54)
So, other than telling her about the website for Psychology Today and talking about her insurance company and what they would allow for her to reach out for what? Other providers? Is that what it was?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (1:13)
Can you restate that?

**Kevin Reddington** (1:14)
Sure, of course. You reference her insurance company.

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (1:18)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:19)
Well, that's a major consideration in medical treatment, is it not? What a person has for insurance?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (1:26)
No. I don't understand what you mean by that.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:29)
You know what insurance is. I mean, as far as like a person paying their bills for medical treatment or psychiatric treatment.

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (1:38)
Insurance is important because who you can see is limited by what insurance you have.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:45)
So, that's what I was asking as far as the insurance. You referenced that on the resources, when the DA asked you about resources, and I asked you what were the resources, and you said going on the website for Psychology Today, right?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (1:58)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:59)
And that you spoke to her about her insurance, right?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (2:03)
We gave her the name of a case manager, who she could contact and her telephone number in case she wanted to find other providers. They would be able to look at their database and figure out what providers would be within the distance she was comfortable with, whether they were male or female, if she had a preference, and if she had any preference about any specialization.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:27)
Okay. And in reference to the insurance, what is the insu… You answered the question about insurance. I'm just asking, what is the involvement of insurance in that offer of resources?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (2:43)
I don't understand your question.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:45)
Maybe I didn't understand your answer. That's why I apologize. You had indicated that in addition to telling her to go on the website for Psychology Today, that you spoke about her insurance and other providers that would be permitted, I guess, under her insurance.

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (3:06)
Not every patient...
The fact that she had a case manager at Blue Cross Blue Shield was an added benefit because they could assist her in finding providers. That's what I meant. All right.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:22)
Other than the case manager from Blue Cross Blue Shield and to do research off of the website for Psychology Today, what resources were provided to this woman?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (3:39)
There are numerous resources that are printed on the after-visit summary. I don't know each and every one of them, but I think they would be in the medical record.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:51)
Okay. And that's something that is provided to a patient when they leave.

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (3:57)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:01)
She came in on a voluntary, is that correct? In other words, I know she was transported by an ambulance, but nevertheless, it was that she and her husband, Patrick, wanted her to be treated at McLean, correct?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (4:15)
She came in and signed in on a voluntary.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:19)
In other words, there were no orders of a court, no judge ordering that she be committed or anything like that. Is that correct?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (4:27)
Yes. All right.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:29)
And she came in on, was it New Year's Eve? January 1st?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (4:35)
Yes.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:37)
And do you remember what time she came in?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (4:40)
I think she arrived at the CEC around 4

**Kevin Reddington** (4:43)
Now, would you agree that on New Year's Eve in McLean Hospital, that that ward is pretty much running on a skeleton crew?

**Dr. Alia Goodheart** (4:57)
You're... I can't speak to something. I'm not there.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:02)
Well, you know, obviously you're not there. But what about other people? Was it skeleton crew New Year's Eve?