Lindsay Clancy Trial: FBI Psychiatrist Admits He Never Tested a Single Claim

**Judge or Court Official** (0:00)
This is live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lindsay Clancy from the Hidden Killers podcast in True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:12)
Sir, when we left off, I believe the question was that, and you agreed, the sudden drop can cause significant GABA dysfunction. Do you recall that question when we broke off talking about the GABA?
And you're familiar with the concept in that regard, talking about the gamma MnL butyric acid and its effect on the progesterone, and its effect on the brain synapses, referred to as BREAKS, B-R-E-A-K-S. You've heard of that term, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (0:49)
No.

**Kevin Reddington** (0:50)
You were aware, sir, that when you get to the point where you have that precipitous drop in the progesterone and the allopreg analome dropping precipitously, that in fact it constitutes and causes significant neurotransmitter malfunction, referred to as broken breaks.

**Gregory Saathoff** (1:16)
I'm not familiar with that term.

**Kevin Reddington** (1:18)
Can you tell me what a neurotransmitter in the brain is?

**Gregory Saathoff** (1:23)
You're asking what is a neurotransmitter?

**Kevin Reddington** (1:25)
Sure. I don't know.

**Gregory Saathoff** (1:27)
Neurotransmitters function in the brain and have responsibility for not only aspects of mood, but also psychosis. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is significant in terms of psychosis when it's too high. We need it.
But, and the neurotransmitters function in a number of different ways, number of different pathways. When we think about psychiatry, we really think about the mesolimbic pathway, and not just dopamine, but also serotonin, norepinephrine. And so depending on the disorder, there are different medications that can be helpful in treating those disorders. So really, from the standpoint of psychiatric illness and brain dysfunction, medication can be very helpful in regulating the neurotransmitters and difficulties.

**Kevin Reddington** (2:48)
Have you heard of the broken brakes hypothesis as it relates to the impact of the precipitous drop of progesterone in the enhancement of the GABA activity? Have you heard of that concept? No.
Would you agree, sir, that when a woman is in that position of the precipitous drop of the progesterone after ceasing the breastfeeding activity, the enhancement with the GABA.

**Gregory Saathoff** (3:17)
You mean prolactin.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:19)
Prolactin. The enhancement of the GABA activity, that would be a dysfunction in the brain, right?

**Gregory Saathoff** (3:31)
Certainly, mood symptoms can be significant.

**Kevin Reddington** (3:35)
Would you agree, sir, that the dysfunction in the brain caused by those two items is consistent with intrusive and hard to control thoughts and highly impulsive, uncontrollable behavior? Would you agree with that?

**Gregory Saathoff** (3:58)
I would say it's possible.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:00)
And that would relate to the capacity of a person to conform their conduct, if, in fact, because of the GABA and the progesterone and all that we just talked about, the intrusive hard to control thoughts and highly impulsive, uncontrollable behavior would address itself to the issue of capacity to conform one's conduct. Right? No.

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:28)
I mean, it depends on the timing. If you're talking...

**Kevin Reddington** (4:31)
Is the answer no?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:32)
At eight months?

**Judge or Court Official** (4:32)
Yeah.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:32)
Hold on.

**Judge or Court Official** (4:33)
Hold on.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:34)
You gotta let the doctor finish.

**Judge or Court Official** (4:36)
Did you finish that answer?

**Gregory Saathoff** (4:38)
Yes.

**Judge or Court Official** (4:39)
Okay. All right. Go ahead. Next question.

**Kevin Reddington** (4:41)
So. Did I hear you say that Patrick is the source, the third party collateral source of Lindsay saying, I tried to kill myself?

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:00)
Is that what you said?

**Kevin Reddington** (5:06)
I'm going to rephrase it for you. I mean, did you tell the jury of an hour ago or so, that...

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:12)
When her husband found her on the ground?

**Kevin Reddington** (5:14)
Yeah.

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:16)
Yes, or something to that effect.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:18)
Something to that effect.

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:19)
Okay.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:21)
And did you listen to the 911 tape when Patrick was actually speaking with Lindsay as she's laying prostate and snow on the ground with a broken neck and slashes and slits?

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:32)
Yes, I did.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:33)
Did you hear her response to Patrick's comment, what did you do?

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:41)
No.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:42)
Did you hear her respond to anything other than what would be described as guttural grunts?

**Gregory Saathoff** (5:51)
Not on that call.

**Kevin Reddington** (5:53)
So when this conversation occurred, and this is the conversation that you're talking about, if she said, I tried to kill myself, kids are in the basement, he then goes into the house, right? Correct.