Lindsay Clancy and Andrea Yates Have One Thing in Common

**SPEAKER_1** (0:01)
This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Drake.

**Tony Brueski** (0:08)
The jury, as of this recording, is still out. They've already come back once and said, we can't get to a verdict. The judge has sent them back. Bob Motta, defense attorney, is with us, along with Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent. So let's play it out.
Let's go down the scenario of they do come back with a hung jury. There is no verdict.
Will the Commonwealth try this again? We were talking in another segment about you can't do a bench trial on a first degree murder charge. Do they recharge it to go to a bench trial just so we can get through this damn thing with some sort of conclusion? Or do they keep hitting their head against a wall over and over and Lindsay Clancy is going to be tried until she's in her 80s? My prediction is she probably makes an exit on her own fruition before we get there. But what do you think happens here, Bob, if they do have a hung jury?

**Bob Motta** (1:05)
I don't know. I honestly don't.
I've been saying before the trial started, I've told you, and we've agreed on it. I've practiced for a long time and I can't think of a more difficult case for a jury to try to reach a verdict on. It's basically because of the things we've been talking about in our last two segments. You have people of the mindset.
We could just look through our chat. PalmTreeG wanting help and actually following through properly on that help are two different things, and Lindsay Clancy neglected the latter part. I disagree completely. I absolutely disagree completely.
I'm going to go ahead and take Lindsay's mother-in-law Sue Clancy's word over yours, PalmTree, and what she said on the stand when she testified on behalf of her ex-daughter-in-law who had ended the life of her grandchildren was that begging for help. She went, she called the suicide hotline twice. They said, well, you don't have a plan. We're going to give you some resources. Here's a pamphlet. Good luck with that. She tried to get into the postpartum program at Women's and Children in Rhode Island. They said, they took her in for a day. They said, unfortunately, we can't allow you into the program because you're overmedicated. She went in for five days at a skeleton crew at McLean. And basically she said, you know, I'd like to get home for my kid's birthday. They said, well, you know, you seem like you're doing better. Pats her on the head and gets her out. When she was there, the therapy she received was, you know, doing a little coloring, playing with some clay and...

**Robin Drake** (2:43)
Yeah, I thought that was interesting, coloring in clay.

**Tony Brueski** (2:45)
Well, as long as we're able to tell ourselves that we're... No, we're attending to them. They're getting their service and we're checking a box, but we're not actually checking what we're checking the box for.
That's the problem.

**Bob Motta** (2:55)
I mean, dude, it's...

**Tony Brueski** (2:56)
We've become a society of check the box so we feel good and we can tell ourselves we've done the right thing. But what's actually being done is shit. Bob, I've got a question for you.

**Bob Motta** (3:06)
I would ask Palm Tree, what else should she have done?

**Robin Drake** (3:09)
Well, and that's my question. So Coffin Duffer asked me a question yesterday I didn't have an answer for because I couldn't think of anything. I want to know if you have one.
Coffin Duffer asks, so did Lindsay do anything wrong?

**Tony Brueski** (3:22)
Ever is basically... Did she do anything wrong throughout this entire ordeal?

**Bob Motta** (3:29)
Well, yeah, I think she under reported, but she under reported because that is how women are... Right, well, but everyone, every woman, if you talk to women that have gone through it and are talking about how they don't feel comfortable bringing forth everything that they may be going through out of fear of consequences, whether it be, I lose my kids, I lose my nursing license, my husband leaves me, I get sectioned and I'm stuck in a...
To me, that's where this lives. There has to be legislation. I have somebody on my live right now, her name's Lisa Tremaine. She has an amazing clinic and she's got 47 women in there with their kids right now, that she brings them all in. She brings in the women, they're allowed to report fully what's going on with them with no repercussions. It's all confidential. The kids are there, so they continue the mother-child bond. The women are monitored constantly. They then bring in the families. What this woman is doing is incredible.