Kara Swisher Says the #1 Longevity Tool Isn't Sleep, Food, or Exercise | Project Swagger with Robin Arzón

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Kara Swisher (1:33)

Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. We're off today. We have something special in the feed for you. Today, we're sharing a conversation I had with Robin Arzón on her podcast, Project Swagger, recorded while I was in Cannes.

Robin is a force in fitness and wellness, and she's well known as Peloton's VP of fitness programming and head and structure. Project Swagger is about how to add years to your life and life and vitality to those years. I joined her to discuss why I dug into the longevity industry for my CNN show, Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever. We cover everything from red light therapy to hyperbaric chambers and we get into what's overhyped, what costs too much, and what all of us should actually be doing to live longer and healthier.

Enjoy the conversation and be sure to check out new episodes of Project Swagger every Tuesday on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

Robin Arzón (2:26)

Kara Swisher, welcome to Project Swagger.

Kara Swisher (2:27)

Thank you for being here.

Robin Arzón (2:29)

Making your way through Cannes.

Kara Swisher (2:30)

I know, I'm sweating just for you.

Robin Arzón (2:32)

We're sweating and we're going to talk about longevity, so maybe it's apropos. Let's talk about your most consistent daily habit.

Kara Swisher (2:40)

Well, now it's walking. I know it sounds crazy, but there's a lot of, well, I did this series for CNN. Yes, we'll talk about that. One of the things that I was trying to do was show how regular people cannot overthink exercise, although exercise, as you know, is critically important, but the small movements they can make to move towards that. One of them is always moving after you eat, like in some walk fashion. It doesn't have to be really fast. It doesn't have to be sweaty just to get your body going.

Robin Arzón (3:06)

Are you tracking it? Are you a step-count person?

Kara Swisher (3:09)

No, because what does 10,000 steps mean?

I don't think it means anything. I think one of the things I've been fighting against is the obsession with data. I think it's too much, especially men. I hate to say it, they tell you, and it doesn't have any meaning whatsoever on people's lives. Now, some of it's, yes, absolutely getting moving, moving your heart rate. The heart rate, like VO2 max, I think is important. They do a pellet tunnel up and down the scale. I think it's really important. But I think in general, we over index on data and not enough about the actual acts we can do individually through the day that are manageable for people.

Robin Arzón (3:46)

Like trading intuition for these data points?

Kara Swisher (3:49)

Well, it's not so much intuition, it's that they basically sell your health back to you in a lot of ways that is just not helpful for most people in general.

This idea that you have to buy everything is really a problem for me. So I was trying to find things that are happening both scientifically, which are groundbreaking and at the same time, some of the stuff on social media that's nonsense, that just doesn't really help you at all. A lot of it actually is quite dangerous.