Jon Favreau: Why Aren't More People Talking about Nipple-Gate?

**Tim Miller** (0:12)
Hello, and welcome to The Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back to the show, co-founder of Crooked Media, co-host of something called Pod Save America. He also has the podcast Offline with Jon Favreau. That's been a good nap podcast for me lately.
It's Jon Favreau. What's up, man?

**Jon Favreau** (0:27)
What's up? Has that replaced Pod Save the World as your nap podcast? Cause I know you've falsely cracked.

**Tim Miller** (0:32)
Kind of going back and forth. I was getting bored with the Iran War talk on Pod Save the World. Aren't we all? So I'm gonna go into Offline.
I like both. Usually the first 25 minutes are good, and then kind of dips in and out, kind of roll back in around minute 50 Apologize to people. For number one, this could be a long podcast itself that you might want to nap to. And I'm sorry if it came up a little bit late, but Favreau was working out this morning, and he had to get his pump in. And I was just hoping since neither John Ossoff nor Raphael Warnock would tell me what their workout routine is. I was hoping that since you're not running for Senate, you could do that. You could just tell us what you did this morning.

**Jon Favreau** (1:08)
Because I'm old now, I stopped running. I used to run all the time, and now I just lift, and I just do, not too heavy, because again, I'm old, but I'm trying to do lower weight, but more reps. That's what I'm trying to do.

**Tim Miller** (1:19)
More reps on what, though?

**Jon Favreau** (1:20)
You do back one day. Yeah.
You do all the groups. You do front of your body one day, and then you do back the other day.

**Tim Miller** (1:27)
So what was today?

**Jon Favreau** (1:29)
Today was back. So I did some back stuff. I did some deadlifts.

**Tim Miller** (1:34)
My hammies started hurting during a deadlift.

**Jon Favreau** (1:36)
Some pulls, some triceps.

**Tim Miller** (1:39)
My ladies weights class, they've got me doing the deadlifts.
The moms are mogging me on the deadlifts. My hamstrings get a little tight. It's tough.

**Jon Favreau** (1:48)
You can't skip leg day.

**Tim Miller** (1:51)
You can't. One of the down and upsides, I guess, depending on how you look at it, to the fact that I do a ladies weights class, is that there's a lot of glute work.
It's important for women, I understand. I don't know if you would know better than me, but it's something they're interested in, and molding. And so I feel like my glutes have gotten a disproportionate amount of attention lately. Let's move on to Iran. I'm done. This is why Jon Osloff didn't want to do it. This is why Jon Osloff didn't want to talk about it.

**Jon Favreau** (2:18)
He's smart. This is why you could run for president.

**Tim Miller** (2:20)
He's smart. All right. We have a deal, according to the Iranians.

**Jon Favreau** (2:25)
Do we?

**Tim Miller** (2:25)
Here's what the Iranians said this morning. They put it out into their state news media, so their version of Barak Revin.
The deal says this, a permanent and immediate cessation of all war on all fronts, including Lebanon. Great.
US commitment to not interfere in Iran's eternal affairs, full lifting of the naval blockade. The US and its allies will be required to present reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least 300 billion. Suspension of sanctions on oil, reopening of straightforward moves within 30 days under arrangements determined by Iran, and a 60-day negotiation period aimed at reaching a final agreement. So Trump said yesterday they had a deal done, and that's what the Iranians said the deal was this morning. He wasn't thrilled about that, it turns out. He posted a belief that's saying these terms are fake news. There's no relation to the truth. Iranians are very dishonorable people to deal with. They better get their act together and fast.

**Jon Favreau** (3:22)
That's going to work too.

**Tim Miller** (3:23)
Yeah.

**Jon Favreau** (3:24)
So I don't know.

**Tim Miller** (3:25)
I mean, last night felt like there was a deal. I mean, you taped Five Day of America yesterday, we had a deal when you guys taped with Alex Wagner.

**Jon Favreau** (3:33)
I was trying to think about how we get out of the cycle and why we're in this cycle. Yeah.
I think it's because the press around this and the perception of the deal is almost more important than the deal itself. What you realize when you're in government, and you're doing diplomacy, is that sometimes if you want to actually make progress, you're just going to have to eat shit like in the press, and you're going to have to take a hit, and people are going to have to criticize you, and by its very nature and definition, a compromise is going to have something that pisses off both sides. But for Trump, he cares so much about perception, and so much about the narrative and the show around this, that every time they get close, and then the Iranians spout off all this bullshit about how the deal is so great, he can't just sit there and eat shit for a while until the deal is signed, and then go tell his story. He has to immediately go and bleat something like that. And now, what are the Iranians going to do? Well, the Iranians aren't going to sit there and be like, oh, Donald Trump, everything he said is wrong. They're going to now be like, okay, well, I'm going to try to hold out from war, or maybe we're going to try to make sure that our deal points are included in there. So this is why we just keep going around and around and around.