Jimmy Dore: Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Thomas Massie & Finding God Through the Propaganda Hellscape

**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
Jimmy Dore, thank you for doing this.

**Jimmy Dore** (0:06)
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:07)
So it seemed to me so much is happening, it's hard to get perspective on any of it, but it does feel like Thomas Massie's loss in the primary in Kentucky two weeks ago was like a kind of pivot point in American politics. What was your response to it?

**Jimmy Dore** (0:24)
Well, my response to it was, how dare we preach democracy around the world and tell people that the people in China are oppressed when we obviously don't have democracy here, right? This is a complete, we just gave up.
And so now it's the oligarchs, as I was telling you before, you know, it's just proof that we don't live in a democracy. You know, they did that Princeton study in 2015 about how it doesn't, the 90% of people, their wishes never are expressed in legislation, and it's only the top 10% of the wealthy people. And there's a direct correlation. If 50% of the wealthy people want something, 50% of the time it happens, you know. And so, but the bottom doesn't matter.
Your vote literally doesn't matter. And we're living in that. And so, you know, I was telling you before, in China, the government sits above capital. Yes. And so the economy works for the people. But in the United States, capital is above the government. And so, the economy doesn't work for the people. It works for a handful of international globalist billionaires, which is why we have homelessness everywhere. We have the biggest prison population in the world. And, you know, we still get go bankrupt just to get educated. You get bankrupt when you get sick. And like I say is that we're like, and we live in a surveillance state. And so we're like China, except we have more street crime and slower trains.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:50)
And we get lectured constantly in the most self-righteous way by the worst people. It's a hard jump for your average right-winger, me for example, to accept the fact that corporations are even more malicious than government.

**Jimmy Dore** (2:10)
Way more.

**Tucker Carlson** (2:11)
You know, I think that's, I'm coming around to that just because the evidence is overwhelming. But I do think there's like a training that takes place where you just have someone point to Soviet Poland and you're like, that's the option to what we have. And you're like, I don't want that. I don't like potatoes. You know what I mean? Bad architecture, grim weather.
But I kind of believe that.

**Jimmy Dore** (2:34)
You believe that that's the option?

**Tucker Carlson** (2:35)
That was the option. So either you have like Google runs everything and, you know, they do it in technicolor and it's like free and it's great, or the state runs everything and it's Soviet Poland. And so like, I do think the average right winger or again, I'll say for myself, speak for myself. It's like hard to accept that you want to live in a system where billionaires don't control everything. Like that's not good.

**Jimmy Dore** (3:02)
That's not good. Let's look around.
This is the system we're living in. And you know, corporations, there's no long-term planning, right? At least in China, they have long-term planning, right? Which is why they get to have flying cars and great infrastructure and beautiful bridges that make their own waterfalls and own rainbows, stuff like that. It's just amazing. And in here, because they don't, and corporations only care about quarterly profits. So they don't care if the whole company crashes as long as they can show a profit in the quarter.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:33)
I think that's right.

**Jimmy Dore** (3:34)
And that's the problem. There's no long-term planning in America. And that's why, and you know, I also have a firm belief that like in California, they spent $24 billion to try to fix homelessness and none of it, it just got worse.
And, you know, I think you've talked about this, that it seems planned because it probably is that they want us to live in this kind of hellscape.
So we beg for authoritarian solutions to these problems. And that's what they're doing, right? So, you know, it all started with 9-11. They had the Patriot Act already written before 9-11, right? So they, and as Edward Snowden revealed, that, you know, they're collecting every text, every phone call, every e-mail you make anyway. So we live in this. And then it's just getting more flock cameras. It's like what you said to Kevin O'Leary. It's like, oh, they're there to help us find crime. Really? Crime rates going down, are they?