Jane Coaston: POTUS's Racism Notches Another Win

**Tim Miller** (0:13)
Welcome to The Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. I am delighted, but not as delighted as you, the audience is. Welcome back to the show, host of Cooke Media's What A Day podcast, which is now daily, coming for me. But it's shorter, it's shorter, okay? You can do both.
And she's also, as I mentioned yesterday, you people like her so much, she's the current record holder for most audio downloads of a single podcast. And I think it's just because people wanted her Melania take so bad, it's Jane Coaston.

**Jane Coaston** (0:39)
Hello, it's good to see you, Tim.

**Tim Miller** (0:41)
Jane, high bar for you to clear.

**Jane Coaston** (0:43)
I know, I know. Regrettably, we don't have Melania Trump explaining how we should have just read her book, but no one read her book. I'm so sorry. I still haven't.

**Tim Miller** (0:53)
I should have pulled a clip just for fun. We should have just done a flashback. I had nothing to do with Epstein.

**Jane Coaston** (1:00)
How I met my husband, which I detailed in my book. And I'm like, no, we didn't read it.

**Tim Miller** (1:06)
I did not do sex trafficking with Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay. Anyway, we've got a grab bag of fun Tim and Jane topics at the end. We are going to have to talk about Chud, Catholic convert JD in the middle. At the beginning, we have to start with some angry news. Is that okay? Can we do mad stuff first?

**Jane Coaston** (1:26)
I think, yeah, I think that that makes sense. Because I mean, there's a lot of angry news before we get into how Usha Vance didn't have any issues growing up and she doesn't really get what JD's whole deal is, but that's neither here nor there.

**Tim Miller** (1:40)
We'll get back to it. I feel like I can call it that. We're kind of on that sort of nickname level. I'm trying to say which thing I'm more upset about this morning. I think the thing I'm most upset about is the Supreme Court ruling on the temporary protected status for the Haitians. We're going to do legal nerdery next week, but when we get all the Supreme Court rulings in, and so I don't know that we need to go through the ruling of the fine-tune comb. But in short, what the practical effect is, that over 300,000 Haitians who fled horrific conditions in their country and are in America under legal status, have now been made illegal by the Supreme Court because of some Calvin Ball style decision, and now they're subject to Mark Wayne Mullen, and Stephen Miller, and their goons, and who knows what's going to happen.
I've got some rage on this. I'm wondering what your reaction is.

**Jane Coaston** (2:33)
Yeah. There are a couple of things about this, because it's not just folks from Haiti, it's folks from Syria, it's folks who are here on temporary protective status. There's a split screen, which a couple of people have been sharing, I did as well, which is Samuel Alito saying like Trump's comments, you can say anything about someone's country, you can just dislike people's country, whatever, it's fine. So it's not racist. Then you have, if I remember correctly, you have in her descent, Elena Kagan being like, here is all of the things Trump said about Haitians, and talking about how they're bringing AIDS, how they live in a shithole country, how they're just terrible people, how we should be able to get more people from Norway and Sweden.
It was interesting how Samuel Alito's whole thing doesn't look like anything to me. This is someone who once decried the Sopranos for promoting anti-Italian racism.
It's interesting because I just keep thinking about how the Supreme Court, the conservative justices on the Supreme Court can see racism if it impacts them directly. Everybody else, they're like, oh, what? Who? It's like if horse blinders work like this. It's telling because I just keep thinking of moments in which people on the right have decried anti-white racism or what they believe to be anti-white racism, which really just makes it so clear that there is a swath of the American right that knows what racism is but can only identify it if it is happening to them.

**Tim Miller** (4:13)
Or I think maybe in the case of antisemitism, for example, on Fox, they're very keyed in on any signs of antisemitism if it comes from a DSA leftist.

**Jane Coaston** (4:24)
Right, right. But again, you go like antisemitism on the right, they're like, who?

**Tim Miller** (4:31)
What?

**Jane Coaston** (4:32)
I don't know what you're talking about. I got nothing. And I'm like, yeah, your hands are in front of your face and your eyes are closed. And you've just been going la, la, la, la, la for the last several years. Or you've been saying like, oh, it's OK, because I'll never forget the conservative commentator, Ben Shapiro, basically saying like, Ann Coulter may be antisemitic, but she likes Israel. So it's cool. Don't worry about it. You know, no need to worry about that. Like, it's totally fine. Also, you can say whatever you want about a liberal Jew.